Reinstate School Resource Officers at MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot didn't testify. A handful did who are a select group of attention seekers. So, what is your better suggestion since you don't want SRO's or security in the schools.

Clearly more kids are being harmed by violence now than are from the SRO's.

Stop it with your Fox News propaganda.
Everybody wants security in schools. People in don't want useless SROs.

Do you have kids in mcps? What is your suggestion? I want them. This is mcps news, not Fox News.

I had a kid graduated from MCPS and I have kids now in MCPS. People already gave you suggestions but you just want to cling on your useless SROs so your Larla and Larlo can feel safe.
"Don't want security in schools" is Fox News and Q propaganda.

There aren't suggestions. We are being told no SRO's. Mental health services aren't going to happen and that doesn't stop violence. The discussion is stopping violence.

SRO's are funded by the police department. MCPS has yet to put any extra security in place or mental health (or more parenting classes as well). So, what are practical solutions that can be implemented. Violence is going up with RJ and the removal of SRO's, not down this year.

Again more fox news and Q propagandas. Violence is not up because of RJ and the removal of SROs. That's what fox news wants you to believe. Violence is up all over the country, not just schools because of the effect of the pandemic.

Are you at all following what is going on in MCPS? RJ has started, SRO's removed. Humm.. use some common sense and start parenting your kids.

MCPS incidents are discussed here and many other places online. You should keep up.

If you cannot parent your kids and expect the schools to do it, they need more support.

You stated that violence is up because of the removal of SROs and RJ, which is not true. It's a fox news, Q propaganda, plain and simple

Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

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In almost every case they proved themselves useless. Further, just look at the most recent incidents at MCPS. Although there were no SROs, they were handled as well as could be expected. SROs make no differ nce. It's just a way to throw away tax dollars and make right wingers who hate public education happy by treating those who can't afford private as inmates.

Read the news. Another school shooting.

There was an SRO at the school. "On Tuesday, according to a law enforcement official, that deputy and a responding deputy disarmed and arrested a 15-year-old student who is accused of killing three fellow students and wounding eight others, including a teacher." Now I suppose you're going to say, "Thank goodness there was an SRO, so that only 3 people were killed and 8 people were wounded!" But I think the whole idea should be to PREVENT school shootings, so that 0 people are killed and 0 people are wounded. And unfortunately, having an SRO at the school did not do that.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/11/30/oxford-high-shooting-police-school-liaison-officer/8813723002/

You simply don't get it do you. Do you even have kids in MCPS or are you one of the private school parents hiding in private because you want your kids safe and refuse to give our kids the same luxury of safety.

Your argument is for more security and more SRO's and metal detectors. The SRO was there to help and brought in more help. They did their job.

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In almost every case they proved themselves useless. Further, just look at the most recent incidents at MCPS. Although there were no SROs, they were handled as well as could be expected. SROs make no differ nce. It's just a way to throw away tax dollars and make right wingers who hate public education happy by treating those who can't afford private as inmates.

Read the news. Another school shooting.

There was an SRO at the school. "On Tuesday, according to a law enforcement official, that deputy and a responding deputy disarmed and arrested a 15-year-old student who is accused of killing three fellow students and wounding eight others, including a teacher." Now I suppose you're going to say, "Thank goodness there was an SRO, so that only 3 people were killed and 8 people were wounded!" But I think the whole idea should be to PREVENT school shootings, so that 0 people are killed and 0 people are wounded. And unfortunately, having an SRO at the school did not do that.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/11/30/oxford-high-shooting-police-school-liaison-officer/8813723002/

Really PP? Can you seriously deny that the SRO, who prevented more students from being killed when he helped to disarm the shooter, played a critical role yesterday? Give me a break. You can move the goal posts all you want, but no one is saying that the only reason to have an SRO to prevent school shootings altogether. But you know that.

Well, what do you know. The Detroit school shooter/mass murderer was call into meetings with administration not once but twice, including with his parents on the day of the shooting but was released back into the school. Law enforcement said they were not made aware . Sounds like restorative justice gone wrong.
Had they expelled the student, made the SRO officer aware of their concerns, alerted authorities in any way, lives may have been saved.
When will we day enough is enough?

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about school safety, pls sign this petition.
https://www.change.org/p/montgomery-county-council-reinstate-school-resource-officers-at-mcps

Recently, there are a number of local and nation wide violence attacks against students. Here are two quick examples.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/blair-high-school-stabbing-student-charged/2021/11/09/7e87293a-4176-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/video-teen-girls-attack-students-on-septa-train/3051706/

It sounds the time to put our student safety first.

Thanks,

Is this that SRO non-sense?

I support Elirch and Jawando. They seem to be handling these things fine without the prison guards at school.

What prison guards are you referring to? SRO's do not act like prison guards. You are making up lies and spreading propaganda for your weird agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot didn't testify. A handful did who are a select group of attention seekers. So, what is your better suggestion since you don't want SRO's or security in the schools.

Clearly more kids are being harmed by violence now than are from the SRO's.

Stop it with your Fox News propaganda.
Everybody wants security in schools. People in don't want useless SROs.

Do you have kids in mcps? What is your suggestion? I want them. This is mcps news, not Fox News.

I had a kid graduated from MCPS and I have kids now in MCPS. People already gave you suggestions but you just want to cling on your useless SROs so your Larla and Larlo can feel safe.
"Don't want security in schools" is Fox News and Q propaganda.

There aren't suggestions. We are being told no SRO's. Mental health services aren't going to happen and that doesn't stop violence. The discussion is stopping violence.

SRO's are funded by the police department. MCPS has yet to put any extra security in place or mental health (or more parenting classes as well). So, what are practical solutions that can be implemented. Violence is going up with RJ and the removal of SRO's, not down this year.

Again more fox news and Q propagandas. Violence is not up because of RJ and the removal of SROs. That's what fox news wants you to believe. Violence is up all over the country, not just schools because of the effect of the pandemic.

Are you at all following what is going on in MCPS? RJ has started, SRO's removed. Humm.. use some common sense and start parenting your kids.

MCPS incidents are discussed here and many other places online. You should keep up.

If you cannot parent your kids and expect the schools to do it, they need more support.

You stated that violence is up because of the removal of SROs and RJ, which is not true. It's a fox news, Q propaganda, plain and simple

Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

This is just a fiction be spread to support the false narrative that SROs are needed. These same things happen every year the main difference is some kook doesn't show up here posting about them, but the thing that really stands out for me is how well these things were handled without an SRO. This makes it clear that it's not needed.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with this whole debate is inherent bias about *who* is a risk. For the most part, school violence happens from within the school (ie other students). Security measures are often designed to keep outsiders from getting in. Students who go to these schools everyday know the blind spots of security anyway. All the metal detectors, SROs etc are doing is making parents feel better. At the same time, those very security measures do two not so great things for students: they increase fear and feelings of not being safe (and yes there are studies on this) and second they increase disproportionate removals of students of color and with disabilities. Security measures don’t prevent violence.

MCPS is wrong for not getting enough mental health support in the doors quickly enough and not connecting with community providers. Bringing back SROs isn’t going to fix that.

SROs don't accomplish much of anything but make the right-wing extremists feel better by making public schools (which they hate) have more of a prison feel.

Metal detectors, too.

Exactly.

What is your proposal because No SRO's and we've had multiple incidents at the "good" schools. One of those knife fights could have been deadly. We've also had more assaults on campus in locker rooms.

There have always been multiple incidents at the "good schools", even when there were SROs.

Instead of removing them we need more.

Because adding more of something that’s ineffective is going to make it effective? How does that logic work?

SROs are not only ineffective, they’re harmful. We don’t need more of them.

They are not harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot of students testified that they are harmful. What is your suggestion?

A lot didn't testify. A handful did who are a select group of attention seekers. So, what is your better suggestion since you don't want SRO's or security in the schools.

Clearly more kids are being harmed by violence now than are from the SRO's.

Stop it with your Fox News propaganda.
Everybody wants security in schools. People in don't want useless SROs.

Do you have kids in mcps? What is your suggestion? I want them. This is mcps news, not Fox News.

I had a kid graduated from MCPS and I have kids now in MCPS. People already gave you suggestions but you just want to cling on your useless SROs so your Larla and Larlo can feel safe.
"Don't want security in schools" is Fox News and Q propaganda.

There aren't suggestions. We are being told no SRO's. Mental health services aren't going to happen and that doesn't stop violence. The discussion is stopping violence.

SRO's are funded by the police department. MCPS has yet to put any extra security in place or mental health (or more parenting classes as well). So, what are practical solutions that can be implemented. Violence is going up with RJ and the removal of SRO's, not down this year.

Again more fox news and Q propagandas. Violence is not up because of RJ and the removal of SROs. That's what fox news wants you to believe. Violence is up all over the country, not just schools because of the effect of the pandemic.

Are you at all following what is going on in MCPS? RJ has started, SRO's removed. Humm.. use some common sense and start parenting your kids.

MCPS incidents are discussed here and many other places online. You should keep up.

If you cannot parent your kids and expect the schools to do it, they need more support.

You stated that violence is up because of the removal of SROs and RJ, which is not true. It's a fox news, Q propaganda, plain and simple

Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

This is just a fiction be spread to support the false narrative that SROs are needed. These same things happen every year the main difference is some kook doesn't show up here posting about them, but the thing that really stands out for me is how well these things were handled without an SRO. This makes it clear that it's not needed.

Do you follow MCPS news? Do you have kids in MCPS? We've had multiple violent incidents with knives and other weapons in schools, and some of the "better" schools at that.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

There have been multiple serious incidents the past few months.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

Yes. People are thinking anecdotally, and, even then, I can think of lots of instances from a couple years ago. Stats are not up this year.

Also, to those who keep emphasizing the SRO at Oxford HS. The shooter was not apprehended before the deputy arrived from the 911 call. So the SRO could have as easily been another county officer or deputy and had the same effect.

All that aside, I would defer to the principals (or at least my kids' principals -- I know they are not all equal, but I have full confidence in the ones at my kids' schools) on whether or not to advocate for SROs. They have a full comprehension of the day to day risks of having them or not having them.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

Yes. People are thinking anecdotally, and, even then, I can think of lots of instances from a couple years ago. Stats are not up this year.

Also, to those who keep emphasizing the SRO at Oxford HS. The shooter was not apprehended before the deputy arrived from the 911 call. So the SRO could have as easily been another county officer or deputy and had the same effect.

All that aside, I would defer to the principals (or at least my kids' principals -- I know they are not all equal, but I have full confidence in the ones at my kids' schools) on whether or not to advocate for SROs. They have a full comprehension of the day to day risks of having them or not having them.

You can trust a principal but once a gun enters the school and there is a shooting do you want police 5-10 minutes away or right there?

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

Yes. People are thinking anecdotally, and, even then, I can think of lots of instances from a couple years ago. Stats are not up this year.

Also, to those who keep emphasizing the SRO at Oxford HS. The shooter was not apprehended before the deputy arrived from the 911 call. So the SRO could have as easily been another county officer or deputy and had the same effect.

All that aside, I would defer to the principals (or at least my kids' principals -- I know they are not all equal, but I have full confidence in the ones at my kids' schools) on whether or not to advocate for SROs. They have a full comprehension of the day to day risks of having them or not having them.

Well when that's happened the SRO ran away so think I'd rather wait for the actual police.

You can trust a principal but once a gun enters the school and there is a shooting do you want police 5-10 minutes away or right there?

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

BINGO! They have no evidence to support their claim that violence is up. It's just fearmongering.

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

BINGO! They have no evidence to support their claim that violence is up. It's just fearmongering.

What evidence do you have to show it is down?

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Then why are violent incidents up in the schools? If not for SROs being removed? Maybe it's not them. But something is causing the increase.

Violent incidents are up everywhere in the US, including at schools with SROs.

They're actually down in MCPS. The PP was correct. This is just astroturf to gin up fear in the hopes that it will scare some voters into supporting reactionary candidates.

BINGO! They have no evidence to support their claim that violence is up. It's just fearmongering.

Their claim that violent incidents are up for MCPS is fiction. Don't hold your breath waiting for a citation.