How close are we to Under 11 vaccines?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

He already is, PP, by his age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

But that's the point - kids are so "fine" that its possible that it may be more risky to vaccinate them than not. That's how little this virus harms kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP. If people haven't gotten vaccinated, then they are a lost cause. But, it is also not fair to be pushing the essential nature of the unvaccinated AND then consider not approving a vaccine for the under 12 set. Now, many schools and businesses are requiring masks for unvaccinated. It is UNACCEPTABLE to require masks for all children under the age of 12 forever. Either push the vaccine through and get it approved OR don't and also drop the mask requirement. We are in this weird limbo and as you run down the decision tree, I can see the insanity of no vaccine for my kids (because it isn't deemed worth it because the virus isn't that bad for kids) but ALSO a requirement that my kids wear masks. It isn't minimal Every day, all day at school. No smiles, no funny faces, impaired breathing for my child with asthma. This is absolute insanity and we are all complicit in it.

Disagree. In hospitals where they had vaccine mandates, the mandates pushed the holdout staff to get vaccinated. People don't want to lose their jobs. Half the US military was unvaccinated the last time I checked, because the vaccine is currently optional. Enough employers make it mandatory and vaccination rates will soar.

So are you saying that in order for kids to be able to go to school maskless, employers will have to mandate vaccinations for adult employees?

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

YES! That's exactly what they're saying.

[Anonymous]

Our pediatrician recently said she thinks they will start rolling out for under 12 years old in the beginning of 2022. She said they were going really slowly with the testing for the under 12s.

[Anonymous]

Well I read September - December timeline on 5-11 vaccines. I'm furious that my kid's teachers don't have to be vaccinated. And I'm also upset that workers in a hospital don't have to be vaccinated! I'm 38 weeks pregnant and my infant will have a heart issue. I don't want anyone around us in the hospital who is unvaccinated. I feel like I should have the ability to know and request only vaccinated health care workers around myself and my medically fragile infant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

He already is, PP, by his age.

The hell he is. Plenty of kids have gotten COVID and many have been hospitalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well I read September - December timeline on 5-11 vaccines. I'm furious that my kid's teachers don't have to be vaccinated. And I'm also upset that workers in a hospital don't have to be vaccinated! I'm 38 weeks pregnant and my infant will have a heart issue. I don't want anyone around us in the hospital who is unvaccinated. I feel like I should have the ability to know and request only vaccinated health care workers around myself and my medically fragile infant.

Can't you delivery someplace else? I know 38 weeks isn't a time people want to switch drs/hospitals but honestly this is a pretty big reason that I would. You don't even need a dr. at your new hospital of choice - you can pretty much just show up. In case you need it Ashish Jha (dean of Brown's med school) just put up a link via his twitter in the last hr or 2 with a listing of all the hospitals nationwide that are requiring vaccines for all employees. There are MANY on the east coast.

[Anonymous]

Just saw this on another timeline:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-and-moderna-are-expanding-vaccine-studies-of-kids-5-to-11/ar-AAMzNT9?ocid=msedgntp

The fact that they are expanding their studies shows they are taking this age group seriously and are not taking the "kids are just fine" attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

He already is, PP, by his age.

The hell he is. Plenty of kids have gotten COVID and many have been hospitalized.

the number of 5-11 year olds in the trial is so small (just increased to 3000) that they aren’t even really going to be able to compare the risks of Covid to the risks of vaccination. We’re likely not going to vaccinate our 9 year old until there’s more evidence - probably 3-4 months at a minimum after the initial EUA. And I’m sure I’m not alone. The uptake is going to be very slow for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well I read September - December timeline on 5-11 vaccines. I'm furious that my kid's teachers don't have to be vaccinated. And I'm also upset that workers in a hospital don't have to be vaccinated! I'm 38 weeks pregnant and my infant will have a heart issue. I don't want anyone around us in the hospital who is unvaccinated. I feel like I should have the ability to know and request only vaccinated health care workers around myself and my medically fragile infant.

Can't you delivery someplace else? I know 38 weeks isn't a time people want to switch drs/hospitals but honestly this is a pretty big reason that I would. You don't even need a dr. at your new hospital of choice - you can pretty much just show up. In case you need it Ashish Jha (dean of Brown's med school) just put up a link via his twitter in the last hr or 2 with a listing of all the hospitals nationwide that are requiring vaccines for all employees. There are MANY on the east coast.

Thank you for posting this. I see Inova Alexandria is on there- I'm giving birth at another Inova, so hopefully they do have a vaccine mandate. I actually googled it this week and couldn't find anything on my hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw this on another timeline:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-and-moderna-are-expanding-vaccine-studies-of-kids-5-to-11/ar-AAMzNT9?ocid=msedgntp

The fact that they are expanding their studies shows they are taking this age group seriously and are not taking the "kids are just fine" attitude.

lol, no it doesn’t. they are expanding the numbers in the trial because the risks of covid are *so low* that you need a bigger trial to even be able to discern the risks v benefits of the vaccine. It also shows that the drug companies were trying to do the least amount possible for approval, but FDA instructed them to do more.

[Anonymous]

There aren't enough kids getting Covid in the trials (Same thing happened with Moderna) This has been discussed at length. Also if they are now "taking safety seriously" for under 11 as people have posted, then that's all the more reason to be wondering what they did with 12-15, 16, etc..

There were 1100 kids tested in that, and myocarditis now uncovered and no change other than a warning label while other countries aren't allowing. Many countries waiting for safety data or more data or just realized the risk/benefit isn't there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just saw this on another timeline:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-and-moderna-are-expanding-vaccine-studies-of-kids-5-to-11/ar-AAMzNT9?ocid=msedgntp

The fact that they are expanding their studies shows they are taking this age group seriously and are not taking the "kids are just fine" attitude.

lol, no it doesn’t. they are expanding the numbers in the trial because the risks of covid are *so low* that you need a bigger trial to even be able to discern the risks v benefits of the vaccine. It also shows that the drug companies were trying to do the least amount possible for approval, but FDA instructed them to do more.

+1-- NONE of the kids trials could show efficacy because so few got Covid. Isn't anyone wondering why Moderna hasn't gotten an EUA? Because 4 kids got Covid. Most logical conclusion would be "ohhh perhaps this is not an emergency" and that seems to be where it landed.

[Anonymous]

It's going slowly because they are trying to determine the optimal dosage. The trials are testing out various dosages for the under-11. It was much simpler for 12-15, since they only tested the existing adult dose.