How close are we to Under 11 vaccines?

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

Why the rush given that the risk is low for kids, and given that there are still unknowns in regard to the long-term effects of the vaccines? This article about long-term risks associated with mRNA vaccines is worth reading:

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https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/01/11/rna-vaccines-and-their-lipids
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So they can wear masks forever? No thanks. Over this sh-t.

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

He already is, PP, by his age.

The hell he is. Plenty of kids have gotten COVID and many have been hospitalized.

the number of 5-11 year olds in the trial is so small (just increased to 3000) that they aren’t even really going to be able to compare the risks of Covid to the risks of vaccination. We’re likely not going to vaccinate our 9 year old until there’s more evidence - probably 3-4 months at a minimum after the initial EUA. And I’m sure I’m not alone. The uptake is going to be very slow for kids.

Why wasn’t the sample size larger to start with? Given some of the concerning side effects seen in teens and adults were rare and not caught in the trials.

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September-October?

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Soon enough, but happy to let others go first.

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Sounds like the start of November for “the Pfizer.”

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I'm not an anti-vaxer. My wife and I signed up as soon as we were able to in VA and have been fully vaccinated since May, but currently I would not vaccinated my elementary school age boys against COVID. The risks for "mild myocardia" are much higher than the risks to them from COVID itself. If you do any research on what the CDC considers "mild" you might be astonished. Admission to the ER, 10 days in the PICU, long lasting damage to the heart. These don't sound mild to me.

Given the very low COVID case levels in the US right now, the risks of COVID seem to minor in comparison. At a minimum I'd like to see a lot more data come out on this. Maybe the dosing for kids needs to be less. Maybe kids can get by with a single shot, since most issues seem related to the 2nd shot.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti-vaxer. My wife and I signed up as soon as we were able to in VA and have been fully vaccinated since May, but currently I would not vaccinated my elementary school age boys against COVID. The risks for "mild myocardia" are much higher than the risks to them from COVID itself. If you do any research on what the CDC considers "mild" you might be astonished. Admission to the ER, 10 days in the PICU, long lasting damage to the heart. These don't sound mild to me.

Given the very low COVID case levels in the US right now, the risks of COVID seem to minor in comparison. At a minimum I'd like to see a lot more data come out on this. Maybe the dosing for kids needs to be less. Maybe kids can get by with a single shot, since most issues seem related to the 2nd shot.

I feel the same way. I am not planning to vax my kids, and I’m shocked that all my friends seem to be so set on vaxxing theirs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti-vaxer. My wife and I signed up as soon as we were able to in VA and have been fully vaccinated since May, but currently I would not vaccinated my elementary school age boys against COVID. The risks for "mild myocardia" are much higher than the risks to them from COVID itself. If you do any research on what the CDC considers "mild" you might be astonished. Admission to the ER, 10 days in the PICU, long lasting damage to the heart. These don't sound mild to me.

Given the very low COVID case levels in the US right now, the risks of COVID seem to minor in comparison. At a minimum I'd like to see a lot more data come out on this. Maybe the dosing for kids needs to be less. Maybe kids can get by with a single shot, since most issues seem related to the 2nd shot.

I feel the same way. I am not planning to vax my kids, and I’m shocked that all my friends seem to be so set on vaxxing theirs.

My ES kids want the vaccine. They want to take their masks off.

Have you talked to your kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti-vaxer. My wife and I signed up as soon as we were able to in VA and have been fully vaccinated since May, but currently I would not vaccinated my elementary school age boys against COVID. The risks for "mild myocardia" are much higher than the risks to them from COVID itself. If you do any research on what the CDC considers "mild" you might be astonished. Admission to the ER, 10 days in the PICU, long lasting damage to the heart. These don't sound mild to me.

Given the very low COVID case levels in the US right now, the risks of COVID seem to minor in comparison. At a minimum I'd like to see a lot more data come out on this. Maybe the dosing for kids needs to be less. Maybe kids can get by with a single shot, since most issues seem related to the 2nd shot.

Link please? That doesn’t sound mild.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

The issue is whether the risks of the vaccine would outweigh the benefit in this subpopulation. “The Science” says we don’t know. You make think you know, but that’s like, just your opinion, man. It’s entirely inconsistent to claim that “antivaxxers” are irrational to have qualms about clinical trials showing vaccine efficacy, and then say the vaccine should be approved for under 12s when the clinical trials are inconclusive on risk/benefit just because you want to vaccinate your kids.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

NP. So the UK expert panel that said exactly that is wrong? Do you think they are lying to cover up a supply issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

Why the rush given that the risk is low for kids, and given that there are still unknowns in regard to the long-term effects of the vaccines? This article about long-term risks associated with mRNA vaccines is worth reading:

[url]
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/01/11/rna-vaccines-and-their-lipids
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So they can wear masks forever? No thanks. Over this sh-t.

But then it is not a decision based on their health risk. It is a decision forced by the restrictions society imposes.

I will vaccinate my young kids for this reason too, as well as for the common good, but I am aware this decision is not based on what is necessarily in their best interest in terms of health.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

NP. So the UK expert panel that said exactly that is wrong? Do you think they are lying to cover up a supply issue?

I’m not aware of a UK panel opining on the hundreds of pediatric deaths from covid in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not an anti-vaxer. My wife and I signed up as soon as we were able to in VA and have been fully vaccinated since May, but currently I would not vaccinated my elementary school age boys against COVID. The risks for "mild myocardia" are much higher than the risks to them from COVID itself. If you do any research on what the CDC considers "mild" you might be astonished. Admission to the ER, 10 days in the PICU, long lasting damage to the heart. These don't sound mild to me.

Given the very low COVID case levels in the US right now, the risks of COVID seem to minor in comparison. At a minimum I'd like to see a lot more data come out on this. Maybe the dosing for kids needs to be less. Maybe kids can get by with a single shot, since most issues seem related to the 2nd shot.

I feel the same way. I am not planning to vax my kids, and I’m shocked that all my friends seem to be so set on vaxxing theirs.

My ES kids want the vaccine. They want to take their masks off.

The CDC website indicates that fewer than 400 kids under the age of 17 have died from COVID, against 50K deaths from other causes. Given this low risk, IMO, it makes sense for parents to wait for more data and analysis before vaccinating their kids, particularly if the intention is to use an mRNA vaccine which is a new approach for which little or no long-term data is available.

Have you talked to your kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

NP. So the UK expert panel that said exactly that is wrong? Do you think they are lying to cover up a supply issue?

I’m not aware of a UK panel opining on the hundreds of pediatric deaths from covid in the US.

No, they are speaking about the risk to the average child. US and UK kids aren’t fundamentally different.