How close are we to Under 11 vaccines?

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782164

1 out of every 25 children who get covid ends up with long covid.

Kids are at low risk, not no risk.

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Anonymous wrote:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782164

1 out of every 25 children who get covid ends up with long covid.

Kids are at low risk, not no risk.

Bahahahahaha if this is the conclusion you draw from this, oh man. First off, any researcher can see the extreme weaknesses in this model given the lack of responses and people ultimately dropped from the final data. Second, there were only 109 Covid positive people in the final set- and they relied on parent responses for kids who were around preteen age. Out of that 109, only 4 reported listed symptoms. Those symptoms - again among preteen age which happens to correspond with puberty age for many - was tiredness and difficulty concentrating. WOWWWW!!! I’ll just stop there rather than go on with the dozen other reasons why a long Covid drastic conclusion is not warranted by that study

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1 out of every 25 children who get covid ends up with long covid.

Kids are at low risk, not no risk.

Bahahahahaha if this is the conclusion you draw from this, oh man. First off, any researcher can see the extreme weaknesses in this model given the lack of responses and people ultimately dropped from the final data. Second, there were only 109 Covid positive people in the final set- and they relied on parent responses for kids who were around preteen age. Out of that 109, only 4 reported listed symptoms. Those symptoms - again among preteen age which happens to correspond with puberty age for many - was tiredness and difficulty concentrating. WOWWWW!!! I’ll just stop there rather than go on with the dozen other reasons why a long Covid drastic conclusion is not warranted by that study

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Too bad there is t a vaccine for your anger management issues

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There is help for your mental health issues and I hope you get it, hugs

You need help! It's painful to read your messages, especially that self-righteous conceited "hugs" part

DP

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

The issue is whether the risks of the vaccine would outweigh the benefit in this subpopulation. “The Science” says we don’t know. You make think you know, but that’s like, just your opinion, man. It’s entirely inconsistent to claim that “antivaxxers” are irrational to have qualms about clinical trials showing vaccine efficacy, and then say the vaccine should be approved for under 12s when the clinical trials are inconclusive on risk/benefit just because you want to vaccinate your kids.

I’m the PP you’re responding to. I didn’t say anything about the risk-benefit analysis. I was simply responding to the misleading statement that COVID doesn’t pose a meaningful risk to kids. And while I have my opinions, I agree it is ultimately up to the FDA to make a determination of the risk-benefit analysis.

We are talking about less than 500 kids have died, it was 401 last time I checked out of about 74 million children under 18 in the United States, so YES, YES...COVID does NOT pose any meaningful risk to children. You cite hundreds but forget to cite out of how many. It isn't as if there are 1000 kids, we are talking about OVER 74 million. The risk is less than 0.01% and NO most of the kids who have died were not otherwise healthy.

It has been cited in other threads—with supporting links—that between 25 and 41 percent of pediatric COVID deaths were kids who were otherwise healthy. And while the denominator is of course large, hundreds of pediatric COVID deaths is still a significant number considering the nature of the population—which is why it’s one of the leading causes of death among kids right now.

FALSE. Since the start of the pandemic, there have been 50K deaths from all causes in the 17 and under age group. Of these, under 400 are due to COVID. So no, COVID isn't even close to a "leading cause of death" among children. Motor vehicle deaths, firearm deaths and cancer are much larger risks than is COVID.

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I’m not sure where the higher numbers of coming from but on July 20th, CDC confirms 335 Children Ages 17 and Under Have Died of COVID in U.S. During Pandemic

Does anyone know a source where those numbers are broken down more by age range? I think it can be really helpful to see if most of those were aged 12-17 versus 5-8 years old. I suspect many who passed away are in the age group that can currently be vaccinated.

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To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

The issue is whether the risks of the vaccine would outweigh the benefit in this subpopulation. “The Science” says we don’t know. You make think you know, but that’s like, just your opinion, man. It’s entirely inconsistent to claim that “antivaxxers” are irrational to have qualms about clinical trials showing vaccine efficacy, and then say the vaccine should be approved for under 12s when the clinical trials are inconclusive on risk/benefit just because you want to vaccinate your kids.

Why 5-8? You don’t care about 9-11 year olds?
I’m the PP you’re responding to. I didn’t say anything about the risk-benefit analysis. I was simply responding to the misleading statement that COVID doesn’t pose a meaningful risk to kids. And while I have my opinions, I agree it is ultimately up to the FDA to make a determination of the risk-benefit analysis.

We are talking about less than 500 kids have died, it was 401 last time I checked out of about 74 million children under 18 in the United States, so YES, YES...COVID does NOT pose any meaningful risk to children. You cite hundreds but forget to cite out of how many. It isn't as if there are 1000 kids, we are talking about OVER 74 million. The risk is less than 0.01% and NO most of the kids who have died were not otherwise healthy.

It has been cited in other threads—with supporting links—that between 25 and 41 percent of pediatric COVID deaths were kids who were otherwise healthy. And while the denominator is of course large, hundreds of pediatric COVID deaths is still a significant number considering the nature of the population—which is why it’s one of the leading causes of death among kids right now.

FALSE. Since the start of the pandemic, there have been 50K deaths from all causes in the 17 and under age group. Of these, under 400 are due to COVID. So no, COVID isn't even close to a "leading cause of death" among children. Motor vehicle deaths, firearm deaths and cancer are much larger risks than is COVID.

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I’m not sure where the higher numbers of coming from but on July 20th, CDC confirms 335 Children Ages 17 and Under Have Died of COVID in U.S. During Pandemic

Does anyone know a source where those numbers are broken down more by age range? I think it can be really helpful to see if most of those were aged 12-17 versus 5-8 years old. I suspect many who passed away are in the age group that can currently be vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782164

1 out of every 25 children who get covid ends up with long covid.

Kids are at low risk, not no risk.

Bahahahahaha if this is the conclusion you draw from this, oh man. First off, any researcher can see the extreme weaknesses in this model given the lack of responses and people ultimately dropped from the final data. Second, there were only 109 Covid positive people in the final set- and they relied on parent responses for kids who were around preteen age. Out of that 109, only 4 reported listed symptoms. Those symptoms - again among preteen age which happens to correspond with puberty age for many - was tiredness and difficulty concentrating. WOWWWW!!! I’ll just stop there rather than go on with the dozen other reasons why a long Covid drastic conclusion is not warranted by that study

Sorry. I'll take the analysis of a renowned clinician working with virologists and over some rando on the internet who says "bahahahaha."
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-783/

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My ped said 6-11, not 5. It only matters some, myself included though because I have a 5year old.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

Cutest autocorrect ever. I’m using it from now on. Yay for kid vaccines in Septey.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

I thought I saw today that Pfizer would have the data by the end of September but they wouldn't submit for EUA until closer to the end of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

I thought I saw today that Pfizer would have the data by the end of September but they wouldn't submit for EUA until closer to the end of the year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/26/us/politics/fda-covid-vaccine-trials-children.html
The Moderna trial began recruiting patients in March with the aim of enrolling 6,795 participants younger than 12. The participants were to be split equally into three age brackets, including a 6 to 11 year old group, of 2,265 participants each. Mr. Jordan said the company is “actively discussing” a proposal with the F.D.A. to expand the trial.

Pfizer is on a faster timetable than Moderna, and may be able to meet the F.D.A.’s expectations on a bigger trial size and still file a request to expand emergency authorization of its vaccine by the end of September. Reviewing all the safety and efficacy data will likely take regulators at least a few weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

I am so sick of the kids will be fiiiine crowd. these people are not trumpers but liberal elitists who just want to get on with things.

If this virus had the same effect on the population as a whole as it does on kids (i.e. few, if any, symptoms for the vast, vast majority), covid would’ve been in the news a few times and would then have been ignored. We wouldn’t have imposed any restrictions, and nobody would have spent money developing a vaccine.

So, given that covid doesn’t pose any meaningful risk to kids, what’s the point of vaccinating them? Is there any other vaccine that we give to a group that isn’t at risk from the disease in question?

Here we go again. Hundreds of kids in the United States have died from COVID. A substantial percent of them were otherwise healthy. Many, many more are suffering from long-term side effects. While they are generally at less of a risk than adults, it is simply incorrect to say that they aren’t at a meaningful risk.

The issue is whether the risks of the vaccine would outweigh the benefit in this subpopulation. “The Science” says we don’t know. You make think you know, but that’s like, just your opinion, man. It’s entirely inconsistent to claim that “antivaxxers” are irrational to have qualms about clinical trials showing vaccine efficacy, and then say the vaccine should be approved for under 12s when the clinical trials are inconclusive on risk/benefit just because you want to vaccinate your kids.

Why 5-8? You don’t care about 9-11 year olds?
I’m the PP you’re responding to. I didn’t say anything about the risk-benefit analysis. I was simply responding to the misleading statement that COVID doesn’t pose a meaningful risk to kids. And while I have my opinions, I agree it is ultimately up to the FDA to make a determination of the risk-benefit analysis.

We are talking about less than 500 kids have died, it was 401 last time I checked out of about 74 million children under 18 in the United States, so YES, YES...COVID does NOT pose any meaningful risk to children. You cite hundreds but forget to cite out of how many. It isn't as if there are 1000 kids, we are talking about OVER 74 million. The risk is less than 0.01% and NO most of the kids who have died were not otherwise healthy.

It has been cited in other threads—with supporting links—that between 25 and 41 percent of pediatric COVID deaths were kids who were otherwise healthy. And while the denominator is of course large, hundreds of pediatric COVID deaths is still a significant number considering the nature of the population—which is why it’s one of the leading causes of death among kids right now.

FALSE. Since the start of the pandemic, there have been 50K deaths from all causes in the 17 and under age group. Of these, under 400 are due to COVID. So no, COVID isn't even close to a "leading cause of death" among children. Motor vehicle deaths, firearm deaths and cancer are much larger risks than is COVID.

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I’m not sure where the higher numbers of coming from but on July 20th, CDC confirms 335 Children Ages 17 and Under Have Died of COVID in U.S. During Pandemic

Does anyone know a source where those numbers are broken down more by age range? I think it can be really helpful to see if most of those were aged 12-17 versus 5-8 years old. I suspect many who passed away are in the age group that can currently be vaccinated.

Why such a combative response to my question? Yes I care about 9-11 year olds, 5-8 was an example to show what I meant by breaking it down into smaller age groups to determine risk. There is a big difference in the physiology of a 17 year versus a 5 year old. But continue responding in an aggressive manner.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

I thought I saw today that Pfizer would have the data by the end of September but they wouldn't submit for EUA until closer to the end of the year.

Why would they wait? I was hoping for dose 1 by start of school but now hoping for dose 1 by Thanksgiving and dose 2 by Christmas.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer OPs question. Pfizer is still on track to ask for emergency authorization to administer the vaccine to 5-11 year olds end of Septey early October. Moderna is expected by years end.

I thought I saw today that Pfizer would have the data by the end of September but they wouldn't submit for EUA until closer to the end of the year.

Why would they wait? I was hoping for dose 1 by start of school but now hoping for dose 1 by Thanksgiving and dose 2 by Christmas.

Because they need to analyze the data and get it ready for the application. Just a guess.