But again, I wasn’t engaging in the risk-benefit calculation. I was just responding to the misleading argument that covid isn’t a meaningful risk to kids. It is: hundreds of kids in the US have died from covid. Many of them were otherwise healthy. |
Yes, but there have been over 50K deaths from other causes (see the CDC website for these stats), for ages under 17, during the same time that COVID claimed a few hundred lives. In other words, statistically, COVID mortality risk is trivial relative to other sources of mortality risk for children under the age of 17. |
Then you have a meaningless concept of “meaningful risk”. Risk is by definition statistical, and for the average kid, the statistical risk of death or serious illness from Covid is extremely small, i.e. not meaningful. Obviously the harm was meaningful to those few hundred kids (kids as in under 18, the number for the under 12s is much smaller) who died, but that is different from “risk”. |
DP. And the risk from the vaccine, if that's the comparison you're thinking of, is virtually microscopic. |
Actually, it is a leading cause of death among children. Per this article, it is one of the top ten causes of death among kids. https://www.wbrc.com/2021/05/23/covid-is-one-top-causes-death-children/ And per this analysis, it is not only a leading cause of death, but particularly tragic because young lives are cut short. https://www.wbrc.com/2021/05/23/covid-is-one-top-causes-death-children/ |
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The UK panel said the risk benefit analysis is unclear due to our lack of data on the vaccine. You can make up your own opinion, but there is no expert consensus on this. I will vaccinate my kids by the way, so you are not talking to an anti-vaxxer. But I will do it for social reasons more than anything else. |
And to be clear, they were talking about teens. It will be interesting to see what the European position will be on the younger age group. |
According to this article, Pfizer expects to request EUA status for kids 5-11 in September or October: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210702/pfizer-seeking-vaccination-approval-for-ages-5-to-11-years-old-by-fall
No guess as to how long it would take FDA to make a decision. |
News out today is that the FDA wants more participants in the trial. Move it back at least a month. Moderna says early 2022. |
UK kids are generally healthier so there’s that. |
You realize that “meaningful” is subjective and arbitrary, right? |
Are they? Their childhood obesity rates are similar. |
Most of this post is totally made up. Yes, sadly 300 kids have died from Covid. But, very few of them were “otherwise healthy.” No, there’s no real evidence that kids are suffering from long term side effects. There’s no evidence that COVID is a meaningful risk to kids. |
NP and I just looked up the data and it is about 350 kids. But when you look at each state’s definition of a child the age range is 0-17 in some states, but all the way up to 20 in other states. So while 350 is a tragic number, how many of those were aged 5-11? Because that is what parents such as myself want to see before vaccinated my lower elementary aged kids. |