Why is HoCo schools better than MoCo?

[Anonymous]

HoCo has a great superintendent who gets in there with his teachers and prioritizes social emotional wellness in real ways, not with buzzwords. I heard him speak at a conference this summer for educators in Howard, Prince George's, Anne Arundel and MCPS and would seriously consider working in that district because his teachers are so happy. That's everything. They feel supported. I work for MCPS where it's abundantly clear that our super is burned out and our leadership is insecure and teachers' opinions count for very little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was really impressed watching the Howard County families fighting the redistricting c p they are trying to pull on them and their kids. I hope they are successful in their fight to keep their communities together. Calling them racist is not going to work, they have seen what happens in other counties when this stuff goes unchecked, I hope, again, that they are successful.

Over in Fairfax they are trying to stop it before it gets to weird new boundaries.

[Anonymous]

Because they are a lesser suburb so they have lesser expectations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

Howard will change in a few years. I think changes are inevitable. Howard is like MoCo 15 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

Exactly...thanks to the poster who shared these numbers. The biggest issue is the % of Hispanics. These numbers seem to mesh with the numbers posted earlier about limited English proficiency, which I am pasting below for your convenience:

HoCo

Free/Reduced Lunch – 22.7%
Limited English Proficient – 5.7%
Special Education – 9.6%


MoCo:
Free/Reduced Lunch – 34.2%
Limited English Proficient – 17.4%
Special Education – 11.2%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

Exactly...thanks to the poster who shared these numbers. The biggest issue is the % of Hispanics. These numbers seem to mesh with the numbers posted earlier about limited English proficiency, which I am pasting below for your convenience:

HoCo

Free/Reduced Lunch – 22.7%
Limited English Proficient – 5.7%
Special Education – 9.6%


MoCo:
Free/Reduced Lunch – 34.2%
Limited English Proficient – 17.4%
Special Education – 11.2%

It's not a problem "with Hispanics". The test scores are brought down because people are first gen Americans or immigrants from elsewhere. Either way, they aren't speaking English as their first language and that makes it hard to do well on tests. I agree that HoCo will even out with MoCo as more Hispanics more out there for cheaper housing. You can buy a frigging McMansion out there for 500k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

Exactly...thanks to the poster who shared these numbers. The biggest issue is the % of Hispanics. These numbers seem to mesh with the numbers posted earlier about limited English proficiency, which I am pasting below for your convenience:

HoCo

Free/Reduced Lunch – 22.7%
Limited English Proficient – 5.7%
Special Education – 9.6%


MoCo:
Free/Reduced Lunch – 34.2%
Limited English Proficient – 17.4%
Special Education – 11.2%

It's not a problem "with Hispanics". The test scores are brought down because people are first gen Americans or immigrants from elsewhere. Either way, they aren't speaking English as their first language and that makes it hard to do well on tests. I agree that HoCo will even out with MoCo as more Hispanics more out there for cheaper housing. You can buy a frigging McMansion out there for 500k.

Sorry, but a very large percentage of those non English speaking students ARE Hispanic. Not sure where you are getting your info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

That is your answer right there. Asian flight to better schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

So MoCo is more than half (51%) black/hispanic and HoCo is only 1/3 (35%) black/hispanic? I'd call that a major difference. HoCo is one in three and MoCo is the majority.

Exactly...thanks to the poster who shared these numbers. The biggest issue is the % of Hispanics. These numbers seem to mesh with the numbers posted earlier about limited English proficiency, which I am pasting below for your convenience:

HoCo

Free/Reduced Lunch – 22.7%
Limited English Proficient – 5.7%
Special Education – 9.6%


MoCo:
Free/Reduced Lunch – 34.2%
Limited English Proficient – 17.4%
Special Education – 11.2%

It's not a problem "with Hispanics". The test scores are brought down because people are first gen Americans or immigrants from elsewhere. Either way, they aren't speaking English as their first language and that makes it hard to do well on tests. I agree that HoCo will even out with MoCo as more Hispanics more out there for cheaper housing. You can buy a frigging McMansion out there for 500k.

MoCo has many more opportunities for illegal immigrants and smaller cheaper housing to fit multiple families. No immigrant families are moving to single home suburbia. Some maybe around Columbia, but that is it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

That is your answer right there. Asian flight to better schools.

There is so much bigotry, stereotyping, and generalizing about Asian-Americans on this forum. It's really terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

MoCo has many more opportunities for illegal immigrants and smaller cheaper housing to fit multiple families. No immigrant families are moving to single home suburbia. Some maybe around Columbia, but that is it.

On the contrary, LOTS of immigrant families are moving to single-home suburbia.

[Anonymous]

But do keep telling us that none of this is about bigotry...

[Anonymous]

I get so tired of the toxic MCPS spin machine. Whenever MCPS drops in prestige or rankings which it has been doing for years, they cry that its the fault of illegal hispanic kids. They then turn around and say that it is racist to notice the system's declining performance because it is the fault of the illegal hispanics. The second spin cycle is to ride on the coat tails of a few schools with a concentration of extremely intelligent and wealthy kids while simultaneously going after these schools for having a concentration of extremely intelligent and wealthy kids.

MCPS is NOT declining because of the hispanic students. MCPS is declining because of MCPS actions. The culture within MCPS is a toxic workplace. You can not completely screw up your curriculum, force teachers to work in unsafe and retaliatory conditions, make bad financial decisions, piss off your community, implement bad academic decisions AND then wonder why you are no longer #1.

MCPS is a mess and it isn't getting better anytime soon. The only advantages MCPS has now are for the actual truly gifted (the .05%) and the kids in extreme poverty. Even these groups are at risk of losing their advantage within MCPS as MCPS seems hell bent on diluting or shutting down its magnets and only provides wrap around services in certain schools. The large cluster of students who are not on the edges -the above average, the average, or the below average but not bottom are very poorly served within MCPS which brings down the scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

That is your answer right there. Asian flight to better schools.

But the schools in HoCo are not better despite the large Asians presence, except in DCUM fantasy land of course.