Why is HoCo schools better than MoCo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

There you go. Whites + Asians = better schools.

[Anonymous]

Having lived in both counties and being one of those people being discussed, I can say you can get a robust education in both. However, where we chose to live in both counties (and attend school) was pretty diverse, and intentionally so. Like our parents, we wanted to be in communities where we were around people from different ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds. That can also be part of a good education for children.

[Anonymous]

Size is the differentiating factor. HoCo is 57k+ students whereas MoCo is 157k+ students. That variable has a huge impact on the range of students and what your budget needs to support. So while MCPS naturally has a bigger budget, it also has more expenses that aren’t necessarily tied on a equal basis like building cost, salary wages benefits, special education.

For example, at the point you need to build a new high school, some existing staff moves to the new school, but also new staff is needed like additional janitorial staff, a new slate of principals, some new teachers. This eans that even if the student body size remained the same for the next fewd years cost went up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

There you go. Whites + Asians = better schools.

Since you said it, I'll respond. Nobody wants to say it but everyone is thinking it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

There you go. Whites + Asians = better schools.

REEEEEEEEEEE! - Progressives

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

How can HoCo schools be segregated? I thought they stared busing a couple years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

How can HoCo schools be segregated? I thought they stared busing a couple years ago.

Did you not hear or see on the news the outrage when they did a huge boundary reassignment at Howard County a couple of years ago? They started the "neighborhood" schools claim even before the MoCo upcounty boundary study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

They are smaller, fewer resources to try huge shifts in curricula. So they are more conservative (meaning less likely to make huge, sweeping progressive changes) than MoCo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

They are smaller, fewer resources to try huge shifts in curricula. So they are more conservative (meaning less likely to make huge, sweeping progressive changes) than MoCo.

HoCo population is more homogenous. The schools seem fine but feel moco provides many vastly superior opportunities. For example, two of my children went through the magnets here when that was still based on merit. There's nothing comparable in hoco.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Clearly you're not good with numbers and do not understand data.
HCPS has about 14,000 black students while MCPS has about 34,000 black students; clearly MCPS has more black students.
And MCPS has higher black graduation rate than HCPS even though they have more students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Clearly you're not good with numbers and do not understand data.
HCPS has about 14,000 black students while MCPS has about 34,000 black students; clearly MCPS has more black students.
And MCPS has higher black graduation rate than HCPS even though they have more students.

You are incapable of reading with context. HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students than MCPS.

Also, graduation rates are meaningless, particularly when 50% of MCPS students absurdly graduate with a 4.0 or better.

Outcome on standardized metrics of achievement tell a better story and the data shows that HoCo performs better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Income.

[Anonymous]

HoCo has more middle class and wealthy residents, and MoCo has more poor and wealthy residents.