Why is HoCo schools better than MoCo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HoCo has more middle class and wealthy residents, and MoCo has more poor and wealthy residents.

+1 HoCo farms rate is much lower, and the ESOL rate, too.

HoCo FARMS/ESOl: 23.1/5.9%
MoCo 38.7/16.3%

That makes a huge difference in achievement.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/county.pdf

https://www.hcpss.org/f/aboutus/profile.pdf

There's no HoCo breakdown of FARMs rate by race, so it's hard to know how the 23% FARMs rate divides, but in MoCo, you can see that 11.8% of black kids qualify for FARMs (not to mention the high % of HI kids).

If you made the FARMs/ESOL rate the same, I'm not sure the achievement would be that different.

[Anonymous]

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The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Your own data does not support your assertion.

That data shows that black students in MCPS do better in ELA - across the board. For math, in ES, MoCo is higher. And, there are more Black kids who qualify for FARMs in MoCo than HoCo.

Hoco: 38.5% / 39.1% / 48.9%
Moco: 39.8% / 40% / 50.5%

So, all in all, seems that black kids do better in MoCo than HoCo.

[Anonymous]

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The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Your own data does not support your assertion.

That data shows that black students in MCPS do better in ELA - across the board. For math, in ES, MoCo is higher. And, there are more Black kids who qualify for FARMs in MoCo than HoCo.

Hoco: 38.5% / 39.1% / 48.9%
Moco: 39.8% / 40% / 50.5%

So, all in all, seems that black kids do better in MoCo than HoCo.

And black kids graduate at a higher rate in MoCo than HOCo.

Four year:
HoCo: 88.66 %
Moco: 89.55

Five year:
HoCo: 90.99
MoCo:91.86

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are the Asian American population in HoCo? My Asian American friend frequently post pics of her kids doing things and they are always the only Asian family in the pictures. When I’m in Columbia, I don’t see many Asian families. Go to Rockville/North Potomac and you see a ton of Asian American families.

North (Ellicott City) and South/West (Fulton, North Laurel, Clarksville). Asians are much less likely in central county (Columbia) than in the north and south parts of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

They are smaller, fewer resources to try huge shifts in curricula. So they are more conservative (meaning less likely to make huge, sweeping progressive changes) than MoCo.

HoCo population is more homogenous. The schools seem fine but feel moco provides many vastly superior opportunities. For example, two of my children went through the magnets here when that was still based on merit. There's nothing comparable in hoco.

Of course there is. HoCo has a merit based tech magnet program. And it's far superior to MoCo.

[Anonymous]

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The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Your own data does not support your assertion.

That data shows that black students in MCPS do better in ELA - across the board. For math, in ES, MoCo is higher. And, there are more Black kids who qualify for FARMs in MoCo than HoCo.

Hoco: 38.5% / 39.1% / 48.9%
Moco: 39.8% / 40% / 50.5%

So, all in all, seems that black kids do better in MoCo than HoCo.

My data? It’s the states data. I have no idea who you are but the fact that you would go through the trouble to misrepresent publicly available data is bizarre.

Math
MoCo: 35.9% / 21.9% / 39.4%
HoCo: 32.5% / 26.7% / 45.9%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are the Asian American population in HoCo? My Asian American friend frequently post pics of her kids doing things and they are always the only Asian family in the pictures. When I’m in Columbia, I don’t see many Asian families. Go to Rockville/North Potomac and you see a ton of Asian American families.

North (Ellicott City) and South/West (Fulton, North Laurel, Clarksville). Asians are much less likely in central county (Columbia) than in the north and south parts of the county.

Whatever area feeds River Hill HS is where most of the Asian-Americans with kids live in HoCo.

[Anonymous]

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The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Your own data does not support your assertion.

That data shows that black students in MCPS do better in ELA - across the board. For math, in ES, MoCo is higher. And, there are more Black kids who qualify for FARMs in MoCo than HoCo.

Hoco: 38.5% / 39.1% / 48.9%
Moco: 39.8% / 40% / 50.5%

So, all in all, seems that black kids do better in MoCo than HoCo.

My data? It’s the states data. I have no idea who you are but the fact that you would go through the trouble to misrepresent publicly available data is bizarre.

Math
MoCo: 35.9% / 21.9% / 39.4%
HoCo: 32.5% / 26.7% / 45.9%

I'm a NP, but PP was correctly citing the ELA data, not misrepresenting anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is a Blair SMACS senior. He has a great cohort of high achieving Asian-American peers who are instrumental in winning many such STEM competitions. What Blair has provided them has only been the cohort and a curriculum. They accelerate and enrich outside the school for years because their families recognized that curriculum was far inferior to what was being offered in their parents country of origin.

They are kids of STEM professioals - doctors, scientists, programmers, academics, lawyers and businessmen. They are the ones who have artificially propped up MCPS and perhaps every school district in the US which does well. But their parents are sick and tired of MCPS, like I am, and if they have younger kids, they will move to either Bethesda and if they have less money than that then they will move to HoCo. Most do not think highly of the private schools here.

+1. Honest and true. People fail to realize that a good school is made by a cohort of motivated kids and supportive parents. I have truly appreciated the diversity of MOCO but am tired of the hate and ignorance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Clearly you're not good with numbers and do not understand data.
HCPS has about 14,000 black students while MCPS has about 34,000 black students; clearly MCPS has more black students.
And MCPS has higher black graduation rate than HCPS even though they have more students.

You are incapable of reading with context. HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students than MCPS.

Also, graduation rates are meaningless, particularly when 50% of MCPS students absurdly graduate with a 4.0 or better.

Outcome on standardized metrics of achievement tell a better story and the data shows that HoCo performs better.

See the highlighted part where you said "so more black students and the Black students they have been perform better".
Higher percentage doesn't always mean more. 30% of 10 is just 3, while 20% of 30 is 6. MCPS black students perform better.
You clearly don't understand data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

Your own data does not support your assertion.

That data shows that black students in MCPS do better in ELA - across the board. For math, in ES, MoCo is higher. And, there are more Black kids who qualify for FARMs in MoCo than HoCo.

Hoco: 38.5% / 39.1% / 48.9%
Moco: 39.8% / 40% / 50.5%

So, all in all, seems that black kids do better in MoCo than HoCo.

My data? It’s the states data. I have no idea who you are but the fact that you would go through the trouble to misrepresent publicly available data is bizarre.

Math
MoCo: 35.9% / 21.9% / 39.4%
HoCo: 32.5% / 26.7% / 45.9%

What you are unable to grasp and fail to analyze is that MoCo black students is over 100% more than HoCo's. So if you're only scoring about 5% higher means you're not doing better. The more students you have taking the test, the more likely your score will be lower. Statistically, MoCo students are doing better.
You need to be take a class in statistics and probability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family in HoCo and I have a fairly good idea that in terms of rigor they are not any better than MoCo. Yet, the schools are rated higher. Why is that? Is it that MoCo is bottom heavy with HI population, while HoCo is pretty much White/Asian?

They are smaller, fewer resources to try huge shifts in curricula. So they are more conservative (meaning less likely to make huge, sweeping progressive changes) than MoCo.

HoCo population is more homogenous. The schools seem fine but feel moco provides many vastly superior opportunities. For example, two of my children went through the magnets here when that was still based on merit. There's nothing comparable in hoco.

Of course there is. HoCo has a merit based tech magnet program. And it's far superior to MoCo.

Is this a joke? Has to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom heavy?!

Yes, HoCo schools are “rated” higher because they have a lot fewer black and Hispanic kids, who tend not to score as highly on standardized tests. “Ratings” around here are 100% about whiteness/Asianness of a school system. When people say they want “good schools,” you can simply cut and paste “white and Asian schools.”

MCPS:
30.1% Hispanic
29.3% White
21.3% Black
14.3% Asian

HCPS:
22.4% Asian
24.0% Black
11.3% Hispanic
35.8% White

so...not really. You know it's easy to look this stuff up, right?

What’s crazy and really blows up all this nonsense is that Black students in HoCo schools perform better than MoCo schools.

It doesn’t make sense to just cite the demographic data of the entire county when everyone knows that the schools in these counties are incredibly segregated and that the highest performing schools are majority white/Asian.

So how do you have explain that HoCo has a higher percentage of Black students and yet their Black students perform better?

Where’s the data that black students perform ‘better’ in Hoco than in Moco?!

The state Report Card data.

The data is here. Black students in HoCo schools, particularly at Middle and High School, have higher achievement in Math and Language Arts.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/13/XXXX/2019
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/XXXX/2019

So more Black students and the Black students they have perform better. As a result, it’s hard to justify the demographic determinism arguments people keep repeating.

The data clearly indicates that for the average student regardless of race, HoCo provide a better education. And yet, as people claim here, HoCo schools are segregated.

How can HoCo schools be segregated? I thought they stared busing a couple years ago.

Did you not hear or see on the news the outrage when they did a huge boundary reassignment at Howard County a couple of years ago? They started the "neighborhood" schools claim even before the MoCo upcounty boundary study.

I did see the outrage and protests cci thought the HoCo BOE still rammed busing through.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the Asian American population in HoCo? My Asian American friend frequently post pics of her kids doing things and they are always the only Asian family in the pictures. When I’m in Columbia, I don’t see many Asian families. Go to Rockville/North Potomac and you see a ton of Asian American families.

North (Ellicott City) and South/West (Fulton, North Laurel, Clarksville). Asians are much less likely in central county (Columbia) than in the north and south parts of the county.

Are you kidding with this? Hoco has a HUGE Asian population. Route 40 is called Korean Way...there is an actual sign erected. Many Korean churches, many Korean businesses. There is an entire floor in a rehab center in Columbia devoted only to Korean patients. Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab, in Fulton, near Maple Lawn, and all the Baltimore universities employ many people of Chinese descent, so much so that several high schools have a predominantly Asian population. There is also a huge South Asian population in Columbia, Ellicott City, and Fulton.

Did you do any research before posting this? Are you basing this on one outing you took to one place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the Asian American population in HoCo? My Asian American friend frequently post pics of her kids doing things and they are always the only Asian family in the pictures. When I’m in Columbia, I don’t see many Asian families. Go to Rockville/North Potomac and you see a ton of Asian American families.

North (Ellicott City) and South/West (Fulton, North Laurel, Clarksville). Asians are much less likely in central county (Columbia) than in the north and south parts of the county.

Whatever area feeds River Hill HS is where most of the Asian-Americans with kids live in HoCo.

Have you been to Centennial High or Atholton or Marriot Ridge? Large Asian populations.