Incident at/outside Maury?

[Anonymous]

Remember, if you drove like this in PG county, the cops would turn the dogs on you. Too bad the MPD doesn't do traffic enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember, if you drove like this in PG county, the cops would turn the dogs on you. Too bad the MPD doesn't do traffic enforcement.

DC does do traffic enforcement, but most of it is via traffic cameras. The costs to offenders are real even if they do not result in points against drivers licenses or added insurance costs.

The locations of cameras become well known to drivers over time and adding additional cameras brings an inevitable backlash. The real question is whether or not the cameras are effective at reducing speeding infractions or simply generating revenue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

[Anonymous]

This is so scary. I pray that this girl will be fine. Was there a crossing guard around?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

This is awful. That poor child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

It was after school hours (like around 4:15 or 4:30?), so my guess is that the speed restriction didn't apply. Totally agree there is a systemic problem, I was just pointing out that I don't think the driver broke any laws and definitely stayed to render aid (got to the girl first just ahead of the doctor)/speak to police and looked as horrified/upset as you'd expect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

It was after school hours (like around 4:15 or 4:30?), so my guess is that the speed restriction didn't apply. Totally agree there is a systemic problem, I was just pointing out that I don't think the driver broke any laws and definitely stayed to render aid (got to the girl first just ahead of the doctor)/speak to police and looked as horrified/upset as you'd expect.

You don't really know that. Driver could have been travelling at excessive speed even with the light. Speed limit there is still 25 mph even if it's outside the 15 mph time restriction. Also doesn't mean driver had any intent and obviously reacted appropriately after the incident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember, if you drove like this in PG county, the cops would turn the dogs on you. Too bad the MPD doesn't do traffic enforcement.

DC does do traffic enforcement, but most of it is via traffic cameras. The costs to offenders are real even if they do not result in points against drivers licenses or added insurance costs.

The locations of cameras become well known to drivers over time and adding additional cameras brings an inevitable backlash. The real question is whether or not the cameras are effective at reducing speeding infractions or simply generating revenue.

A few speed cameras doesn't address red-light and stop sign running, texting while driving, failing to yield to pedestrians, and aggressive driving. I have been complaining to MPD about the dangers posed to our children walking to school on Capitol Hill for several years to no avail. It's just not a priority. DDOT likewise refuses to install state-of-the-art safety measures like delaying green signals to allow pedestrians to cross without having to play chicken with commuters, speed humps, bulb-outs and raised crosswalks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

It was after school hours (like around 4:15 or 4:30?), so my guess is that the speed restriction didn't apply. Totally agree there is a systemic problem, I was just pointing out that I don't think the driver broke any laws and definitely stayed to render aid (got to the girl first just ahead of the doctor)/speak to police and looked as horrified/upset as you'd expect.

You don't really know that. Driver could have been travelling at excessive speed even with the light. Speed limit there is still 25 mph even if it's outside the 15 mph time restriction. Also doesn't mean driver had any intent and obviously reacted appropriately after the incident.

I'm the PP and I don't think the driver was speeding. I don't know for sure (hence, I said "I don't think the driver broke any laws") -- I mean, for all I know, they had a suspended license or were driving without required glasses. I'm just telling you that my subjective impression was that the driver wasn't speeding/didn't do anything obviously wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

This is awful. That poor child.

Did EMS take more than 10 minutes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

It was after school hours (like around 4:15 or 4:30?), so my guess is that the speed restriction didn't apply. Totally agree there is a systemic problem, I was just pointing out that I don't think the driver broke any laws and definitely stayed to render aid (got to the girl first just ahead of the doctor)/speak to police and looked as horrified/upset as you'd expect.

You don't really know that. Driver could have been travelling at excessive speed even with the light. Speed limit there is still 25 mph even if it's outside the 15 mph time restriction. Also doesn't mean driver had any intent and obviously reacted appropriately after the incident.

I'm the PP and I don't think the driver was speeding. I don't know for sure (hence, I said "I don't think the driver broke any laws") -- I mean, for all I know, they had a suspended license or were driving without required glasses. I'm just telling you that my subjective impression was that the driver wasn't speeding/didn't do anything obviously wrong.

Did you actually see the whole thing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

This is awful. That poor child.

Did EMS take more than 10 minutes?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been able to find anything about this anywhere else. I really hope the child is ok.

The kid is definitely not "ok." The crash was terrifying -- she literally went flying. FWIW, the driver did immediately stop and render aid and I think the driver had the light. Initially the girl was fully unresponsive at the scene (the first person to arrive started compressions, but she was actually breathing); later opened her eyes, but never talked. So, I'd assume concussion at least . Apparent compound femur fracture, so she'll need surgery for that. My guess is that there will be other broken bones and the possibility of internal bleeding as well. Cops were on the scene right away, but EMS took awhile to get there. She seemed to get good treatment though: a pediatrician jogging nearby was on the scene helping within a minute.

If this was as close to Maury as described there is most certainly a 15 mph school zone restriction in the immediate area during school start/end times. The time restrictions usually indicate official school hours but given the number of children in before/after school programming it should be broader. At a minimum there is clear signage that the area is a school zone.

My problem with the traffic corridors like Constitution, Independence, C St., Penn Ave, etc. is that the lights are timed in a way that encourages drivers to drive fast enough to make lights, otherwise they're punished at subsequent intersections. There's definitely a systemic effort to move traffic expediently however at odds with pedestrian impact.

It was after school hours (like around 4:15 or 4:30?), so my guess is that the speed restriction didn't apply. Totally agree there is a systemic problem, I was just pointing out that I don't think the driver broke any laws and definitely stayed to render aid (got to the girl first just ahead of the doctor)/speak to police and looked as horrified/upset as you'd expect.

You don't really know that. Driver could have been travelling at excessive speed even with the light. Speed limit there is still 25 mph even if it's outside the 15 mph time restriction. Also doesn't mean driver had any intent and obviously reacted appropriately after the incident.

I'm the PP and I don't think the driver was speeding. I don't know for sure (hence, I said "I don't think the driver broke any laws") -- I mean, for all I know, they had a suspended license or were driving without required glasses. I'm just telling you that my subjective impression was that the driver wasn't speeding/didn't do anything obviously wrong.

Did you actually see the whole thing?

I can't say that, because I wasn't focused on the area where the accident happened until it happened... But I looked over basically as the crash was happening/saw her flying through the air.

[Anonymous]

When a driver hits a pedestrian, the driver is ALWAYS at fault, full stop. A driver needs to be able to stop at any moment in time for anything to come walking, rolling, or flying in his/her visor. That's the law. There is no reason, ever, for a body to be struck by an attentive automotive driver, hitting the breaks when they need to be hit.