DeSantis purging Florida universities of historically black frats & sororities?

[Anonymous]

That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

[Anonymous]

Read the damn bill y’all. There is nothing in it about black fraternities and sororities. This is pure speculation. Yes the bill is a joke, but social organizations are not on the chopping block. Unless their main purpose is studying CRT, which I can assure you it is not lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

Read the texts. Historically black frats and sororities advocate for diversity - it’s in their founding documents and charters. They would be banned under the new law from being a beneficiary of any university spending for “advocating” for diversity:

(2) A Florida College System institution, state
282 university, Florida College System institution direct-support
283 organization, or state university direct-support organization
284 may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support,
285 or maintain any programs or campus activities that:
286 (a) Promote the concepts listed in s. 1000.05(4)(a);
287 (b) Advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion;
288 (c) Promote or engage in political or social activism; or
289 (d) Include or espouse, as government speech or expressive
290 activity of the Florida College System institution or state
291 university or its direct-support organization speaking or acting
292 on the Florida College System institution's or state
293 university's behalf, preferential treatment or special benefits
294 to individuals on the basis of race, color, national origin,
295 sex, disability, or religion.

Such organizations could not operate on campus in any capacity because that would benefiting from university spending. No use of conference rooms, hanging a flyer, putting up a table in the quad, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HBCUs tend to have terrible graduation rates, terrible standardized test scores, high student loan debts, low solvency, low enrollment and a host of other issues. I hope other states follow suit.

wow. i had a great time at my HBCU. graduated as did all of my peers. classes were full. teachers were great and supportive. cost of schooling was lower than surrounding publics.

- signed white female who attended HBCU because it was closer and less expensive as a non-traditional student (returned to finish last 2 years at 25) but got 1360 on the SAT and 32 act as a senior in HS. community college was more expensive and was a terrible investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

Read the texts. Historically black frats and sororities advocate for diversity - it’s in their founding documents and charters. They would be banned under the new law from being a beneficiary of any university spending for “advocating” for diversity:

(2) A Florida College System institution, state
282 university, Florida College System institution direct-support
283 organization, or state university direct-support organization
284 may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support,
285 or maintain any programs or campus activities that:
286 (a) Promote the concepts listed in s. 1000.05(4)(a);
287 (b) Advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion;
288 (c) Promote or engage in political or social activism; or
289 (d) Include or espouse, as government speech or expressive
290 activity of the Florida College System institution or state
291 university or its direct-support organization speaking or acting
292 on the Florida College System institution's or state
293 university's behalf, preferential treatment or special benefits
294 to individuals on the basis of race, color, national origin,
295 sex, disability, or religion.

Such organizations could not operate on campus in any capacity because that would benefiting from university spending. No use of conference rooms, hanging a flyer, putting up a table in the quad, etc.

It's not just black fraternities. Every national fraternity and national service organization would be banned under this. Any employer with a DEI statement would be barred from recruiting on campus. I'm guessing that enforcement will be very selective and will ultimately result in very expensive settlements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

There should be no problem with language carving out fraternities, sororities and service organizations, right? Right? Jesus, the willful ignorance here is astounding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

How do you make it through life pretending white racism doesn't exist and isn't reemerging as a threat to a huge portion of the US population?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

Read the texts. Historically black frats and sororities advocate for diversity - it’s in their founding documents and charters. They would be banned under the new law from being a beneficiary of any university spending for “advocating” for diversity:

(2) A Florida College System institution, state
282 university, Florida College System institution direct-support
283 organization, or state university direct-support organization
284 may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support,
285 or maintain any programs or campus activities that:
286 (a) Promote the concepts listed in s. 1000.05(4)(a);
287 (b) Advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion;
288 (c) Promote or engage in political or social activism; or
289 (d) Include or espouse, as government speech or expressive
290 activity of the Florida College System institution or state
291 university or its direct-support organization speaking or acting
292 on the Florida College System institution's or state
293 university's behalf, preferential treatment or special benefits
294 to individuals on the basis of race, color, national origin,
295 sex, disability, or religion.

Such organizations could not operate on campus in any capacity because that would benefiting from university spending. No use of conference rooms, hanging a flyer, putting up a table in the quad, etc.

As written, this would ban a lot of campus groups… College Republicans, Young Democrats, any environmental action type clubs, etc etc. But does it actually ban them from existing on campus, or just prohibit them from state/gov funding? There’s a big difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

Read the texts. Historically black frats and sororities advocate for diversity - it’s in their founding documents and charters. They would be banned under the new law from being a beneficiary of any university spending for “advocating” for diversity:

(2) A Florida College System institution, state
282 university, Florida College System institution direct-support
283 organization, or state university direct-support organization
284 may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support,
285 or maintain any programs or campus activities that:
286 (a) Promote the concepts listed in s. 1000.05(4)(a);
287 (b) Advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion;
288 (c) Promote or engage in political or social activism; or
289 (d) Include or espouse, as government speech or expressive
290 activity of the Florida College System institution or state
291 university or its direct-support organization speaking or acting
292 on the Florida College System institution's or state
293 university's behalf, preferential treatment or special benefits
294 to individuals on the basis of race, color, national origin,
295 sex, disability, or religion.

Such organizations could not operate on campus in any capacity because that would benefiting from university spending. No use of conference rooms, hanging a flyer, putting up a table in the quad, etc.

As written, this would ban a lot of campus groups… College Republicans, Young Democrats, any environmental action type clubs, etc etc. But does it actually ban them from existing on campus, or just prohibit them from state/gov funding? There’s a big difference.

Schools "may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support, or maintain any programs or campus activities that:" That means, at the very least, no use of facilities at all and it's doubtful that the organizations could be school sanctioned it probably also means that the school would lose all ability to regulate their conduct

[Anonymous]

Schools "may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support, or maintain any programs or campus activities that:" That means, at the very least, no use of facilities at all and it's doubtful that the organizations could be school sanctioned it probably also means that the school would lose all ability to regulate their conduct

No. It means they can charge rent--just like Fairfax County schools charges for use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

That’s rich!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

That’s rich!

Specifically it’s rich coming from the party of “You will not replace us!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Schools "may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support, or maintain any programs or campus activities that:" That means, at the very least, no use of facilities at all and it's doubtful that the organizations could be school sanctioned it probably also means that the school would lose all ability to regulate their conduct

No. It means they can charge rent--just like Fairfax County schools charges for use.

It depends on how Florida courts interpret support and maintain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was not in a sorority in college but had a grandmother who started a Chi Omega chapter. DeSantis seems horribly misguided and a bigot for going after Black fraternities and sororities. He seems to be doubling down on white hegemony. It’s wrong.

He is NOT going after them. It is a speculation. Read the bill.

It’s very clear that the existence of historically black frats and sororities will run afoul of the law, as written. Some Florida legislators are trying to add an amendment to the law to carve out the frats and sororities, but have not been successful yet.

So yes, as proposed DeSantis would be eliminating the historically black frats and sororities. The only reason these organizations exist is because racist whites wouldn’t - and largely still do not - accept black students in their Greek orgs.

What is so bad about exclusively Black or exclusively White/Asian/Hispanic fraternities? If people just want to be around their own kind, what harm is there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's not what that Bill is going to do. You folks are extreme and constantly living in fear of an imaginary boogeyman. How do you make it through life pretending to be a victim all the time?

Read the texts. Historically black frats and sororities advocate for diversity - it’s in their founding documents and charters. They would be banned under the new law from being a beneficiary of any university spending for “advocating” for diversity:

(2) A Florida College System institution, state
282 university, Florida College System institution direct-support
283 organization, or state university direct-support organization
284 may not expend any state or federal funds to promote, support,
285 or maintain any programs or campus activities that:
286 (a) Promote the concepts listed in s. 1000.05(4)(a);
287 (b) Advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion;
288 (c) Promote or engage in political or social activism; or
289 (d) Include or espouse, as government speech or expressive
290 activity of the Florida College System institution or state
291 university or its direct-support organization speaking or acting
292 on the Florida College System institution's or state
293 university's behalf, preferential treatment or special benefits
294 to individuals on the basis of race, color, national origin,
295 sex, disability, or religion.

Such organizations could not operate on campus in any capacity because that would benefiting from university spending. No use of conference rooms, hanging a flyer, putting up a table in the quad, etc.

It's not just black fraternities. Every national fraternity and national service organization would be banned under this. Any employer with a DEI statement would be barred from recruiting on campus. I'm guessing that enforcement will be very selective and will ultimately result in very expensive settlements

No just the ones that do not make payments to DeSantis presidential fund.