Bill Maher: Democrats and crime

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s a cartoon character.

He's a classical liberal. Not a leftist like many currently in the Democratic Party.

He’s a libertarian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9 out of the top 10 most dangerous states are Republican majority. If Democrat policy is the cause of violent crime then how can this be the case? Something else must be going on but you guys must not want to really solve the actual problem.

Now, dig a little, pp. Check to see which cities in those states bring the crime rate up. Then, check to see who runs those cities.

The truth is that crime policy is highly dependent on the people running the city. It is local. Some policies are set by the federal govt and the states, but counties and cities have some of their own policies and are charged with implementing and enforcing policy. Too often, we have very progressive DA's who don't do a good job of prosecuting crime. And, local policies that are very liberal.

Get back to us with the stats.

OMG. YOU DO NOT CARE. Your sh!t doesn’t stink to you, does it. There is crap in some cities and across some states. Hypocrites come in all shades from red to blue. Stop pointing fingers. It doesn’t matter who is supposedly to blame. Move forward!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s a cartoon character.

He's a classical liberal. Not a leftist like many currently in the Democratic Party.

He’s a libertarian.

Agree. So tired of people thinking libertarians are just conservatives. You get a good star, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9 out of the top 10 most dangerous states are Republican majority. If Democrat policy is the cause of violent crime then how can this be the case? Something else must be going on but you guys must not want to really solve the actual problem.

Now, dig a little, pp. Check to see which cities in those states bring the crime rate up. Then, check to see who runs those cities.

The truth is that crime policy is highly dependent on the people running the city. It is local. Some policies are set by the federal govt and the states, but counties and cities have some of their own policies and are charged with implementing and enforcing policy. Too often, we have very progressive DA's who don't do a good job of prosecuting crime. And, local policies that are very liberal.

Get back to us with the stats.

OMG. YOU DO NOT CARE. Your sh!t doesn’t stink to you, does it. There is crap in some cities and across some states. Hypocrites come in all shades from red to blue. Stop pointing fingers. It doesn’t matter who is supposedly to blame. Move forward!

Wow. Someone certainly gets triggered when called out. Just own up to the crime-infested blue cities.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:9 out of the top 10 most dangerous states are Republican majority. If Democrat policy is the cause of violent crime then how can this be the case? Something else must be going on but you guys must not want to really solve the actual problem.

Now, dig a little, pp. Check to see which cities in those states bring the crime rate up. Then, check to see who runs those cities.

The truth is that crime policy is highly dependent on the people running the city. It is local. Some policies are set by the federal govt and the states, but counties and cities have some of their own policies and are charged with implementing and enforcing policy. Too often, we have very progressive DA's who don't do a good job of prosecuting crime. And, local policies that are very liberal.

Get back to us with the stats.

OMG. YOU DO NOT CARE. Your sh!t doesn’t stink to you, does it. There is crap in some cities and across some states. Hypocrites come in all shades from red to blue. Stop pointing fingers. It doesn’t matter who is supposedly to blame. Move forward!

Wow. Someone certainly gets triggered when called out. Just own up to the crime-infested blue cities.
DP

Partisans stink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:9 out of the top 10 most dangerous states are Republican majority. If Democrat policy is the cause of violent crime then how can this be the case? Something else must be going on but you guys must not want to really solve the actual problem.

Democrat-led cities.

[Anonymous]

Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

Signed,

Lifelong Dem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

Signed,

Lifelong Dem

Like what, my dear? Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

Because from where I sit, I see the police - generally a pretty conservative group - having gotten shirty that many people were calling for accountability in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and those same police just decided they didn’t need to do their jobs. Then I watched the videos of police officers fail to do any policing when children were being mowed down while simultaneously preventing parents from rushing in to save their children. Then I think of the thousands of anecdotes I’ve read about the police just not doing their jobs - telling rape victims (in modern times!) they’re mistaken and that they’re not going to investigate, flat out ignoring calls of break ins and violent assaults on the street and you want to sit here and blame the Democrats because you can’t figure out that nobodies on Twitter mean nothing?

Or you want to go real broad strokes and whine about the border, the border that is absolutely not open or the broader issue of Republicans loving the red meat issue and the profits undocumented employers bring their donors?

I brought up the GOP and they’re harboring hundreds of criminals among the elected in their party upthread and I stand by that. That’s one entire party that openly supports crime and you want everyone to focus on the Democrats?

JFC. Save us from the “lifelong Dems” and “classic liberals” like Maher, aka conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

Signed,

Lifelong Dem

Like what, my dear? Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

Because from where I sit, I see the police - generally a pretty conservative group - having gotten shirty that many people were calling for accountability in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and those same police just decided they didn’t need to do their jobs. Then I watched the videos of police officers fail to do any policing when children were being mowed down while simultaneously preventing parents from rushing in to save their children. Then I think of the thousands of anecdotes I’ve read about the police just not doing their jobs - telling rape victims (in modern times!) they’re mistaken and that they’re not going to investigate, flat out ignoring calls of break ins and violent assaults on the street and you want to sit here and blame the Democrats because you can’t figure out that nobodies on Twitter mean nothing?

Or you want to go real broad strokes and whine about the border, the border that is absolutely not open or the broader issue of Republicans loving the red meat issue and the profits undocumented employers bring their donors?

I brought up the GOP and they’re harboring hundreds of criminals among the elected in their party upthread and I stand by that. That’s one entire party that openly supports crime and you want everyone to focus on the Democrats?

JFC. Save us from the “lifelong Dems” and “classic liberals” like Maher, aka conservatives.

Do you want to win elections, pp?

Both Maher and I want Dems to win.

Republicans are far better than Dems at messaging. Facts don’t matter. People worry about their safety and their wallet. Republicans realize that and they adopt uniform talking points fueling fear and painting Dems as the villain.

Facts don’t matter. Perception is everything.

Some Dem-led cities have obvious issues and recent horrific headlines that Rs will use against Ds. Crime and immigration are the two issues they will use. They’ll pepper their rhetoric with “the woke left is crazy” and then show images of riots, drugged out homeless people, hundreds of migrants crossing the border, etc. and then highlight recent incidents.

Remember when Maher predicted Trump’s win? Remember when he predicted that Trump would go easily if he lost?

If you watch Maher and really listen to what he’s saying, you’ll realize that he’s really focusing on party rhetoric and messaging—because that’s what wins campaigns. He’s pointing out areas that Rs will leverage, and we should listen.

Most Americans are moderate, not far right or far left. Defund the police messaging (regardless of the actual policy) backfired, and Rs will use it against us. That’s a fact. And they have plenty of ammunition. Doubling down on police brutality won’t win votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

Signed,

Lifelong Dem

Like what, my dear? Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

Because from where I sit, I see the police - generally a pretty conservative group - having gotten shirty that many people were calling for accountability in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and those same police just decided they didn’t need to do their jobs. Then I watched the videos of police officers fail to do any policing when children were being mowed down while simultaneously preventing parents from rushing in to save their children. Then I think of the thousands of anecdotes I’ve read about the police just not doing their jobs - telling rape victims (in modern times!) they’re mistaken and that they’re not going to investigate, flat out ignoring calls of break ins and violent assaults on the street and you want to sit here and blame the Democrats because you can’t figure out that nobodies on Twitter mean nothing?

Or you want to go real broad strokes and whine about the border, the border that is absolutely not open or the broader issue of Republicans loving the red meat issue and the profits undocumented employers bring their donors?

I brought up the GOP and they’re harboring hundreds of criminals among the elected in their party upthread and I stand by that. That’s one entire party that openly supports crime and you want everyone to focus on the Democrats?

JFC. Save us from the “lifelong Dems” and “classic liberals” like Maher, aka conservatives.

Do you want to win elections, pp?

Both Maher and I want Dems to win.

Republicans are far better than Dems at messaging. Facts don’t matter. People worry about their safety and their wallet. Republicans realize that and they adopt uniform talking points fueling fear and painting Dems as the villain.

Facts don’t matter. Perception is everything.

Some Dem-led cities have obvious issues and recent horrific headlines that Rs will use against Ds. Crime and immigration are the two issues they will use. They’ll pepper their rhetoric with “the woke left is crazy” and then show images of riots, drugged out homeless people, hundreds of migrants crossing the border, etc. and then highlight recent incidents.

Remember when Maher predicted Trump’s win? Remember when he predicted that Trump would go easily if he lost?

If you watch Maher and really listen to what he’s saying, you’ll realize that he’s really focusing on party rhetoric and messaging—because that’s what wins campaigns. He’s pointing out areas that Rs will leverage, and we should listen.

Most Americans are moderate, not far right or far left. Defund the police messaging (regardless of the actual policy) backfired, and Rs will use it against us. That’s a fact. And they have plenty of ammunition. Doubling down on police brutality won’t win votes.

Any reason you ignored all my questions? I will re-list them:

- Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left?
- Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street?
- Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

[Anonymous]

I’m another D who thinks the D messaging on this is not great. I think they are afraid to say anything so the defund voice just sits there and looks like the voice of the Dems.

I think we need more cops but also better compensated, better trained, and more accountability. The truth is that in every job, a lsignificant percent of people just aren’t very good at their job. It’s true of lawyers, doctors, baristas, cleaners, etc. with coos, that fact is way more problematic. One of the biggest problems is the “us versus them” mentality that causes cops to close ranks around their colleagues even when they know those colleagues aren’t very good. We need a culture shift for that to change. And I think criminally prosecuting police for things like pursuing someone who is breaking the law and endangering people is not going to help. The guys in Memphis should definitely be criminal prosecutors. But the guys in DC pursuing the motorbike rider? Fire them, but I think criminally prosecuting them sends the wrong message to officers that remain.

[Anonymous]

I'm a Dem who agrees we need to crack down on crime, starting with violent offenders and repeat offenders. Sure, we also need to deal with some of the underlying social issues as well but while the crime's still happening we can't turn a complete blind eye to it. If you're that concerned about the social issues WORK HARDER on it, and in tandem with law enforcement - and stop promoting STUPID policies that have violent serial offenders right back on the street committing more crimes a month after they were arrested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m another D who thinks the D messaging on this is not great. I think they are afraid to say anything so the defund voice just sits there and looks like the voice of the Dems.

I think we need more cops but also better compensated, better trained, and more accountability. The truth is that in every job, a lsignificant percent of people just aren’t very good at their job. It’s true of lawyers, doctors, baristas, cleaners, etc. with coos, that fact is way more problematic. One of the biggest problems is the “us versus them” mentality that causes cops to close ranks around their colleagues even when they know those colleagues aren’t very good. We need a culture shift for that to change. And I think criminally prosecuting police for things like pursuing someone who is breaking the law and endangering people is not going to help. The guys in Memphis should definitely be criminal prosecutors. But the guys in DC pursuing the motorbike rider? Fire them, but I think criminally prosecuting them sends the wrong message to officers that remain.

Agree. Cops need to be better trained. And they need to stop with the mentality of being judge, jury and executioner. Their job is to arrest perpetrators and to only resort to force when there is a clear and present danger. We also need to better train and hold accountable the prosecutors and judges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s a cartoon character.

He's a classical liberal. Not a leftist like many currently in the Democratic Party.

+1
And Democrats absolutely can't stand that. Good for him. I don't like everything he says, but he at least calls out stupidity wherever he sees it.

republicans. are not worth the air we breath.

The lying hypocrites.

from MTG to Gosar to Gaetz to Scott not one amoung them is a human much less an American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

Signed,

Lifelong Dem

Like what, my dear? Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

Because from where I sit, I see the police - generally a pretty conservative group - having gotten shirty that many people were calling for accountability in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and those same police just decided they didn’t need to do their jobs. Then I watched the videos of police officers fail to do any policing when children were being mowed down while simultaneously preventing parents from rushing in to save their children. Then I think of the thousands of anecdotes I’ve read about the police just not doing their jobs - telling rape victims (in modern times!) they’re mistaken and that they’re not going to investigate, flat out ignoring calls of break ins and violent assaults on the street and you want to sit here and blame the Democrats because you can’t figure out that nobodies on Twitter mean nothing?

Or you want to go real broad strokes and whine about the border, the border that is absolutely not open or the broader issue of Republicans loving the red meat issue and the profits undocumented employers bring their donors?

I brought up the GOP and they’re harboring hundreds of criminals among the elected in their party upthread and I stand by that. That’s one entire party that openly supports crime and you want everyone to focus on the Democrats?

JFC. Save us from the “lifelong Dems” and “classic liberals” like Maher, aka conservatives.

Do you want to win elections, pp?

Both Maher and I want Dems to win.

Republicans are far better than Dems at messaging. Facts don’t matter. People worry about their safety and their wallet. Republicans realize that and they adopt uniform talking points fueling fear and painting Dems as the villain.

Facts don’t matter. Perception is everything.

Some Dem-led cities have obvious issues and recent horrific headlines that Rs will use against Ds. Crime and immigration are the two issues they will use. They’ll pepper their rhetoric with “the woke left is crazy” and then show images of riots, drugged out homeless people, hundreds of migrants crossing the border, etc. and then highlight recent incidents.

Remember when Maher predicted Trump’s win? Remember when he predicted that Trump would go easily if he lost?

If you watch Maher and really listen to what he’s saying, you’ll realize that he’s really focusing on party rhetoric and messaging—because that’s what wins campaigns. He’s pointing out areas that Rs will leverage, and we should listen.

Most Americans are moderate, not far right or far left. Defund the police messaging (regardless of the actual policy) backfired, and Rs will use it against us. That’s a fact. And they have plenty of ammunition. Doubling down on police brutality won’t win votes.

Any reason you ignored all my questions? I will re-list them:

- Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left?
- Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street?
- Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

You are arguing facts when I just explained that facts don’t matter to the Republican Party and many voters. Perception matters, and their general perception is easily manipulated by the R’s uniform messaging.

Re: crime - whenever something hits national news, they point to the lefty prosecutor in the lefty city and their woke agenda for failing to prosecute or lock up and throw away the key.

Republicans and Fox News routinely use soundbites from AOC, Bernie, Ilhan, Warren, and others as “crazy woke lefties.”

While Dems aren’t literally saying crime isn’t a big deal, Republicans can point to numerous examples where police and prosecutorial discretion have skewed towards leniency or even a true pass due to race.

Dem messaging was pushed too far left by the fringe and it needs to be reset if we don’t want to alienate voters.