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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maher is still liberal. He’s just frustrated by how far left we’ve gone on certain issues. He’s not wrong, and we should listen instead of doubling down to defend problematic stances that republicans will use against us.

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Lifelong Dem [/quote]
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Like what, my dear? Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal?

Because from where I sit, I see the police - generally a pretty conservative group - having gotten shirty that many people were calling for accountability in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and those same police just decided they didn’t need to do their jobs. Then I watched the videos of police officers fail to do any policing when children were being mowed down while simultaneously preventing parents from rushing in to save their children. Then I think of the thousands of anecdotes I’ve read about the police just not doing their jobs - telling rape victims (in modern times!) they’re mistaken and that they’re not going to investigate, flat out ignoring calls of break ins and violent assaults on the street and you want to sit here and blame the Democrats because you can’t figure out that nobodies on Twitter mean nothing?

Or you want to go real broad strokes and whine about the border, the border that is absolutely not open or the broader issue of Republicans loving the red meat issue and the profits undocumented employers bring their donors?

I brought up the GOP and they’re harboring hundreds of criminals among the elected in their party upthread and I stand by that. That’s one entire party that openly supports crime and you want everyone to focus on the Democrats?

JFC. Save us from the “lifelong Dems” and “classic liberals” like Maher, aka conservatives. [/quote]

Do you want to win elections, pp?

Both Maher and I want Dems to win.

Republicans are far better than Dems at messaging. Facts don’t matter. People worry about their safety and their wallet. Republicans realize that and they adopt uniform talking points fueling fear and painting Dems as the villain.

Facts don’t matter. Perception is everything.

Some Dem-led cities have obvious issues and recent horrific headlines that Rs will use against Ds. Crime and immigration are the two issues they will use. They’ll pepper their rhetoric with “the woke left is crazy” and then show images of riots, drugged out homeless people, hundreds of migrants crossing the border, etc. and then highlight recent incidents.

Remember when Maher predicted Trump’s win? Remember when he predicted that Trump would go easily if he lost?

If you watch Maher and really listen to what he’s saying, you’ll realize that he’s really focusing on party rhetoric and messaging—because that’s what wins campaigns. He’s pointing out areas that Rs will leverage, and we should listen.

Most Americans are moderate, not far right or far left. Defund the police messaging (regardless of the actual policy) backfired, and Rs will use it against us. That’s a fact. And they have plenty of ammunition. Doubling down on police brutality won’t win votes. [/quote]
Any reason you ignored all my questions? I will re-list them:

- Which stances of Democrats who matter are too far left? 
- Who is advocating for violent criminals to be out on the street? 
- Which elected Democrats say crime is no big deal? [/quote]

You are arguing facts when I just explained that facts don’t matter to the Republican Party and many voters. Perception matters, and their general perception is easily manipulated by the R’s uniform messaging.

Re: crime - whenever something hits national news, they point to the lefty prosecutor in the lefty city and their woke agenda for failing to prosecute or lock up and throw away the key.

Republicans and Fox News routinely use soundbites from AOC, Bernie, Ilhan, Warren, and others as “crazy woke lefties.”

While Dems aren’t literally saying crime isn’t a big deal, Republicans can point to numerous examples where police and prosecutorial discretion have skewed towards leniency or even a true pass due to race.

Dem messaging was pushed too far left by the fringe and it needs to be reset if we don’t want to alienate voters. [/quote]

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