Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the hysterics and I don't know how any private school parents in this area that could be surprised by this - the ruse of recruiting wealthy unqualified athletes that somehow never play a game is rampant.

No, it isn't. Most coaches can't afford to waste slots on people who will not be on the team. There may be a few non-scholarship recruits that are used to raise the graduation rate and SAT average of the athletic program, but they are always at least legitimate practice players who participate fully except they rarely play in the games. Using slots for people who did not even play the sport well in high school is not something that would be tolerated by admissions offices. If the coach doesn't need that slot, the admissions office would much rather take it back.

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

Because it’s an on-the-make US Attorney auditioning for a seat in the Senate. Doing so on the backs of parents who are guilty of loving their children.

The prosecutor reaps any whirlwind he sows. What goes around comes around.

Oh, girl. Loving your kids does not mean you can excuse shady deals and fraud to soothe your (or their) egos. That part isn't love. It's pretty dark.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

Because it’s an on-the-make US Attorney auditioning for a seat in the Senate. Doing so on the backs of parents who are guilty of loving their children.

The prosecutor reaps any whirlwind he sows. What goes around comes around.

You can’t really believe this. You must be a troll. Right....right?

[Anonymous]

Here ya go
https://www.fairtest.org/study-sat-coaching-raises-scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here ya go
https://www.fairtest.org/study-sat-coaching-raises-scores

Not sure what you're trying to argue, but that's from 2002

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the hysterics and I don't know how any private school parents in this area that could be surprised by this - the ruse of recruiting wealthy unqualified athletes that somehow never play a game is rampant.

That's the issue isn't it? It's been a longtime secret of the Uber-elite. Now the gauche UMC and noveau riche are exposing all the wealthy secrets to the world. And the U.S. is one of the few countries that will prosecute the privileged for breaking the law. In fact we take pride in it.

Love it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.

Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?

One of the naysayers here. Your proposal will strip any help from kids who actually need the accommodations. Now they’ll be competing head-to-head with the kids applying to Ivies. Sure, there’s abuse in the current system—so crack down on that, but don’t get rid of special accommodations completely.

PP again. The problem isn’t the accommodations. It’s UMC families cheating on accommodations and the lack of test tutoring for inner city kids. So fix those problems by cracking down on those who abuse accommodations and by providing tutoring to inner city kids. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by getting rid of accommodations.

Kahn academy offers free SAT prep to everyone. You can link your PSAT scores to it and they will provide customized practice on the areas a student needs to work on.

My kids used Kahn Academy. It works really well unless you are one of the 60 million Americans without internet at home due to cost, or you live in a rural area without access to broadband.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/20/15839626/disparity-between-urban-rural-internet-access-major-economies

Well here’s a newsflash....if you don’t care enough to find a way to access free resources then maybe you don’t belong at Harvard or other highly selective schools. The world needs truck drivers too.

Are you saying the free resources are remotely equivalent?

Yes they are. The only thing an expensive tutor gives you is accountability, which is important if you’re a feckless tw*t. My point is simple....if you’re some downtrodden poor that is brilliant and deserves to be admitted to Harvard then fine, go prove it by taking a bus to your local library and access free internet to prep with khan academy (which is excellent btw).

DP. Is this a joke, or are you for real? It sounds like you’re saying it’s fine if rich, feckless twits (edited) get into Harvard because they can buy tutors. But the smart “poors” should “prove it” by taking the bus to the library. Ugh....

DP: you are crazy. Someone here is obsessed with tutors...maybe get one for yourself and start making some sense?

THere is an imbecile on this thread that thinks tutors can dramatically improve test scores when studies have shown that they can’t and that prepping in general is equivalent to cheating. I can’t argue with that kind of stupid.

I wonder if it is the same poster who said these tutors cost $500/hour pages ago. Riiiight. They are also magical beings who know exactly what will be on the test and convey the info with a mystical vulcan mind transfer.

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

Because it’s an on-the-make US Attorney auditioning for a seat in the Senate. Doing so on the backs of parents who are guilty of loving their children.

The prosecutor reaps any whirlwind he sows. What goes around comes around.

What an utterly bizarre statement. Do you know anything about how this case was developed and managed by the FBI and DOJ? I think you think Billions is real life. It's not. There are multiple U.S. Attorneys, state prosecutors, FBI agents and DOJ types working on this. A US Attorney can't just make up a case out of thin air and run with it - especially one that has been so long in the making.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG they perp-snatched Felicity Hoffman. And she DID KNOW ABOUT IT!!!

Sources familiar with the arrest claim that the agents drew their weapons and ordered Felicity to come out of her house and surrender. Huffman and the rest of her family were asleep when the agents showed up.

Those close to the actress say she knew her arrest was imminent and would have surrendered on her own, but the feds didn't want to wait. FBI insiders told TMZ guns were "drawn as a precaution. It's always left to the agents' discretion whether to draw a firearm during an arrest."

https://kfyi.iheart.com/content/2019-03-12-actress-felicity-huffman-arrested-by-fbi-agents-with-guns-drawn/

Bond set at $250,000 for her.

Mossimo Giannulli (Lori Loughlin's husband) bond set at $1,000,000!

Lori Loughlin's bail now set at $1,000,000! Both of their bails have been secured against their $35 Million house in L.A. Passport allowed to remain (unlike Felicity Huffman) because she has to go back to her TV show set in Vancouver. Next court date - March 29 in Boston.

Kim was originally reluctant to allow Loughlin to continue travelling to Vancouver for work, saying “I”m not comfortable giving her a passport for that kind of travel.” But he relented and set conditions that she be allowed to travel as long as the court is aware of her destination and length of stay.

Not quite the mugshots we want and need but somebody looks PISSED she got caught.

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So delicious. Morrie Tobin - the man who started this all by telling the feds about the scheme in the first place - was on trial for securities fraud. By giving up the entrance exam fraud, he got a deal for $4 million in payback and 36 months of supervised release.

Lori and her pals better give up something too - or its bye-bye birdie.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/03/14/only-on-2-tipster-who-touched-off-campus-bribery-admissions-scandal-lives-in-larchmont/

CBS2/KCAL9 Investigative Reporter David Goldstein tracked down the man who the feds say tipped them off to the widening campus bribery scandal that has ensnared Hollywood celebrities and business moguls and CEOs alike.

“Mr. Tobin, can I talk with you?” Goldstein asked.

But Morrie Tobin wasn’t talking.

Goldstein hurries after the man and says, “What do you think of all this you’ve started, sir?”

Before he ran down the street, Tobin was walking in his Larchmont neighborhood trying to avoid reporters, like Goldstein.



Reporters were showing up on the doorstep of his multi-million mansion.

Tobin is reportedly the man who blew the whistle on the college admissions bribery scam. According to the Associated Press, while he was being questioned by the feds about a separate investment scheme, he offered a tip to obtain leniency.

He told investigators the head women’s soccer coach at Yale University wanted a bribe in order to get Tobin’s daughter into the school.

[Anonymous]

What is the impact of this on college admissions outside the tiny number of "right" schools that seem to grad so much of the limelight? Is it really a systemic problem with American higher education? Or a problem that is limited to a few highly sought after schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The college admission scandal is basically 9/11 for upper middle class white people. Haven’t seen them so upset by something in years.

Because it’s an on-the-make US Attorney auditioning for a seat in the Senate. Doing so on the backs of parents who are guilty of loving their children.

The prosecutor reaps any whirlwind he sows. What goes around comes around.

What an utterly bizarre statement. Do you know anything about how this case was developed and managed by the FBI and DOJ? I think you think Billions is real life. It's not. There are multiple U.S. Attorneys, state prosecutors, FBI agents and DOJ types working on this. A US Attorney can't just make up a case out of thin air and run with it - especially one that has been so long in the making.

It's a crisis management staffer making comments like this. Ignore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is the impact of this on college admissions outside the tiny number of "right" schools that seem to grad so much of the limelight? Is it really a systemic problem with American higher education? Or a problem that is limited to a few highly sought after schools?

It’s mostly prestigious schools, but it may end up spreading to football factory schools, where athletes who can barely read are recruited to play football, even though the would never be admitted otherwise.

If all colleges just stopped waving academic requirements for athletes, it would solve a lot of problems. The rich wouldn’t be able to use that loophole to get their B+ students into Stanford. The athletic D- students wouldn’t be able to use it to get into Alabama.

College football is a fattened dove just waiting to be hit by a massive scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get the hysterics and I don't know how any private school parents in this area that could be surprised by this - the ruse of recruiting wealthy unqualified athletes that somehow never play a game is rampant.

That's the issue isn't it? It's been a longtime secret of the Uber-elite. Now the gauche UMC and noveau riche are exposing all the wealthy secrets to the world. And the U.S. is one of the few countries that will prosecute the privileged for breaking the law. In fact we take pride in it.

Love it.

Nope, its actually the nouveau riches (spelled correctly) who are doing this.

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What is interesting is that exactly 50 names were given up. I am sure he selected those names with purpose and kept off hundreds that he wanted protected. I think the lawsuit should demand all the names.