Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus Christ, we know what’s happening in Gaza. There is literally no shortage of news about it. Every day, front page of the Post, talking about the humanitarian crisis. Stop being disingenuous. We know.

Have barely heard a peep lately about what is to become of the hostages Hamas took, no one seems to care about them because talking about them doesn’t advance anyone’s agenda. I don’t think bombing the shit out of Gaza made them any safer.

Their welfare is a big reason the ground invasion hasn’t happened.

LOL -the ground invasion hasn’t happened because there will be large numbers of IDF casualties. That’s the nature of urban warfare. One only needs to look at Iraq to understand that. This has nothing to do with some heart tugging humanitarian gesture to the Palestinians.

Try reading the whole thread you’re responding to before barking. I was referring to the hostages, which is something no one wants to discuss.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you making repeated antisemitic comments which get deleted, understand that all you are doing for those of us who aren’t Jewish but were horrified by 10/7 and are reconsidering our positions is strengthening our support for Israel.

This thread as a small microcosm and watching what has happened globally post 10/7 has made me a stronger supporter of Israel than I’ve ever been before, significantly so. Why? Because it is crystal clear to me now that if Jews do not have a strongly defended homeland, they will suffer another Holocaust. I did not realize how many people around the world existed that would explicitly cheer that on if it happened and in fact jump in to help. That has been a devastating realization.

Keep doing what you want, but when I read posts that come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it teaches me nothing but support for Israel.

Same. I realize now I can’t just let my Jewish friends sort this one out on their own. Do I support the current government of Israel’s policies wrt to settlements? Hell no. But I support with my whole heart protecting the right of Israel to exist.

Yes. I despise Netanyahu and Likud. I want them out. But my eyes have been entirely opened to the number of people out there who would kill my friends and their children just because they are Jewish. I didn’t realize how bad it was.

I cannot believe how many grossly antisemitic posts I’ve seen here on DCUM, and I’m grateful to Jeff for his willingness to delete them quickly.

Nobody is advocating to kill Jews. That is the biggest strawman.

What I find terrifying is that many Israeli supporters equate slaughtering Palestinians with their survival. Anyone who doesn’t want the genocide of Palestinian children is an antisemite who wants Jews to die.

That binary is horrifying.

People like you believe it and support the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

People in the United States believe it too and a 6 year old kindergartener was stabbed to death to preemptively protect Jews from antisemitism. His mom barely survived the attack.

I don’t support terrorism of any kind, however it’s clear to me that the only people in danger of genocide are Palestinians. Since the conflict intensified this month, thousands of Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza. And a Palestinian boy was brutally stabbed to death in the United States for being Palestinian.

Meanwhile, the media narrative in the United States remains that Jewish students have never been in more danger (zero Jewish students have been killed in the United States this month, while a Palestinian kindergartener was stabbed to death.)

I think it’s a terrifying time to be a Palestinian. I speak out for them because everyday the devastation worsens exponentially.

You’re delusional if you think Muslims in America are at risk of genocide. And stop weaponizing that boy’s death to make an inaccurate argument that Muslims are in intensely more danger than Jews in America.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you making repeated antisemitic comments which get deleted, understand that all you are doing for those of us who aren’t Jewish but were horrified by 10/7 and are reconsidering our positions is strengthening our support for Israel.

This thread as a small microcosm and watching what has happened globally post 10/7 has made me a stronger supporter of Israel than I’ve ever been before, significantly so. Why? Because it is crystal clear to me now that if Jews do not have a strongly defended homeland, they will suffer another Holocaust. I did not realize how many people around the world existed that would explicitly cheer that on if it happened and in fact jump in to help. That has been a devastating realization.

Keep doing what you want, but when I read posts that come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it teaches me nothing but support for Israel.

Same. I realize now I can’t just let my Jewish friends sort this one out on their own. Do I support the current government of Israel’s policies wrt to settlements? Hell no. But I support with my whole heart protecting the right of Israel to exist.

Yes. I despise Netanyahu and Likud. I want them out. But my eyes have been entirely opened to the number of people out there who would kill my friends and their children just because they are Jewish. I didn’t realize how bad it was.

I cannot believe how many grossly antisemitic posts I’ve seen here on DCUM, and I’m grateful to Jeff for his willingness to delete them quickly.

Nobody is advocating to kill Jews. That is the biggest strawman.

What I find terrifying is that many Israeli supporters equate slaughtering Palestinians with their survival. Anyone who doesn’t want the genocide of Palestinian children is an antisemite who wants Jews to die.

That binary is horrifying.

People like you believe it and support the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

People in the United States believe it too and a 6 year old kindergartener was stabbed to death to preemptively protect Jews from antisemitism. His mom barely survived the attack.

I don’t support terrorism of any kind, however it’s clear to me that the only people in danger of genocide are Palestinians. Since the conflict intensified this month, thousands of Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza. And a Palestinian boy was brutally stabbed to death in the United States for being Palestinian.

Meanwhile, the media narrative in the United States remains that Jewish students have never been in more danger (zero Jewish students have been killed in the United States this month, while a Palestinian kindergartener was stabbed to death.)

I think it’s a terrifying time to be a Palestinian. I speak out for them because everyday the devastation worsens exponentially.

You are not only wrong—I opposed the bombing and sorry daily about the humanitarian cost of this conflict—you are blind.

Do you know what Hamas wants? Do you know what “free Palestine from river to sea means”? Do you blindly parrot that shit without understanding that it is a call to destroy Israel and kill Jews? Do you see how many people aroudn the world are repeating that call?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

Obama acknowledged Jews’ historical connection to Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tulane situation, planned protest near Crown Heights on Jewish Sabbath, the list goes on. Things are frightening for Jews — please show some empathy.

You are frightened by protests? Should we stop protesting the dismemberment and starvation of children because some members of the community feel unsafe? Or is it just Saturdays that are off limit?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

I am Ashkenazi. I know my own background is Middle Eastern and European. That’s what the genetic record shows:

The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/ancient-dna-provides-new-insights-ashkenazi-jewish-history

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

23andme begs to differ

https://blog.23andme.com/articles/ashkenazi-ancestry-and-health#


Ashkenazi Ancestry and Other Jewish Ancestry

While most people with Ashkenazi ancestry trace their DNA to Eastern and Central Europe, they are often more genetically like other Jewish populations — such as Sephardic Jews or Jewish groups with roots in Iran, Iraq, or Syria — than other Europeans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tulane situation, planned protest near Crown Heights on Jewish Sabbath, the list goes on. Things are frightening for Jews — please show some empathy.

You are frightened by protests? Should we stop protesting the dismemberment and starvation of children because some members of the community feel unsafe? Or is it just Saturdays that are off limit?

Depends what the protests are about. Definitely doesn’t seam like they’re calling for peace. Seeing a whole bunch of stuff calling for the obliteration of Israel which is indeed, scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

Obama acknowledged Jews’ historical connection to Israel.

Oh, OK.

I guess that settles it then. The irrefutable science is wrong because Obama said so.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's remember that Hamas continues to bomb Israel with rockets and they don't seem to care where they land.......
Or, maybe..... hitting civilian targets is part of their plan. After what they did on 10/7, this seems more likely.

Well maybe if Hamas collapsed the building and trapped these people it would be close to a whatabout. Israelis are targeting civilians blowing up hospitals, churches, school, aid supplies, etc. They have leveled most of north Gaza trapping civilians under the rumble. What religion would condone such violence against helpless civilians?

Israel is setting the rules that civilians are fair game.

They’ve been leveling Palestinian homes long before October.

I don’t understand the outrage that their adversary is following their lead.

10/7 didn’t happen then?

Huh? Nice strawman.

I just pointed out that Israel frequently bombed Palestinian homes BEFORE October 7th.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. And they’re shocked that Hamas is fighting back the same way? Cry me a river.

Just going to point out that Hamas has been lobbing missiles at Israel for years now.
Do you expect them not to respond? You think it is ok for Hamas to continue to bomb Israel and Israel is just supposed to sit by and take it?

The way the Israeli military treats Palestinian civilians is the entire reason was elected in the first place.

Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians longer than most of us have been alive.

Do you really want to go back in history to the beginning of all of this?

Or would you rather continue to justify why Hamas is morally superior?

I don’t think Hamas is morally superior.

I think Hamas (or something like it) was inevitable given Israel’s treatment of Gaza. The Israeli military behaved like terrorists towards Palestinians. Of course, the Palestinians responded by electing their own terrorists to represent them and now they can’t get them out of power (much like Israelis can’t get Netanyahu out.)

This is a showdown between a terrorist state and a terrorist organization. As always, civilians are the ones who suffer.

So what explains the Palestinian terrorism before the state of Israel even existed?

What explains the Grand Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism and support of Hitler during WWII?

I'm trying to decide whether your history or your logic is more flawed.

Let’s go to the videotape …

People from Eastern Europe and other far flung regions of the world organizing to dispossess the indigenous people of their land through tactics that can only be characterized as the advent of modern day terrorism, including brutal massacres of entire villages.

Blowing up hotels to coerce one-sided political action.

Hijacking airliners to coerce one-sided political action.

Extra-judicial executions of foreign officials and journalists to intimidate the press and control the narrative.

Establishing a cottage industry built around distorting facts and circumstances on the ground to cultivate that never-ending narrative of victimhood, and ensuring a steady flow of foreign military and financial aid in exchange for hegemony.

75 years of dehumanizing the indigenous population, along with a 60:1 casualty rate over that period.

At least 60 Palestinian deaths or serious injuries for every Israeli death or serious injury.

Tl/dr: Acquaint yourself with actual historical information about the incidents surrounding and leading to the formation of the State of Israel before you embarrass yourself trying to convince others that the indigenous people initiated the conflict.

So you deny that Jews are indigenous to the land. That discredits your entire argument.

A majority of the current citizens of the State of Israel who identify as Jewish are not indigenous to the region. It’s not a matter it being anyone’s opinion - the available genetic record makes that fact irrefutable.

Do you sincerely believe others endorse the diaspora fairytales and believe they’re rooted in fact? That the Ashkenazi are actually from the region, despite the fact that the genetic record says otherwise?

Obama acknowledged Jews’ historical connection to Israel.

Oh, OK.

I guess that settles it then. The irrefutable science is wrong because Obama said so.

What irrefutable science?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you making repeated antisemitic comments which get deleted, understand that all you are doing for those of us who aren’t Jewish but were horrified by 10/7 and are reconsidering our positions is strengthening our support for Israel.

This thread as a small microcosm and watching what has happened globally post 10/7 has made me a stronger supporter of Israel than I’ve ever been before, significantly so. Why? Because it is crystal clear to me now that if Jews do not have a strongly defended homeland, they will suffer another Holocaust. I did not realize how many people around the world existed that would explicitly cheer that on if it happened and in fact jump in to help. That has been a devastating realization.

Keep doing what you want, but when I read posts that come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it teaches me nothing but support for Israel.

Same. I realize now I can’t just let my Jewish friends sort this one out on their own. Do I support the current government of Israel’s policies wrt to settlements? Hell no. But I support with my whole heart protecting the right of Israel to exist.

Yes. I despise Netanyahu and Likud. I want them out. But my eyes have been entirely opened to the number of people out there who would kill my friends and their children just because they are Jewish. I didn’t realize how bad it was.

I cannot believe how many grossly antisemitic posts I’ve seen here on DCUM, and I’m grateful to Jeff for his willingness to delete them quickly.

Nobody is advocating to kill Jews. That is the biggest strawman.

What I find terrifying is that many Israeli supporters equate slaughtering Palestinians with their survival. Anyone who doesn’t want the genocide of Palestinian children is an antisemite who wants Jews to die.

That binary is horrifying.

People like you believe it and support the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

People in the United States believe it too and a 6 year old kindergartener was stabbed to death to preemptively protect Jews from antisemitism. His mom barely survived the attack.

I don’t support terrorism of any kind, however it’s clear to me that the only people in danger of genocide are Palestinians. Since the conflict intensified this month, thousands of Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza. And a Palestinian boy was brutally stabbed to death in the United States for being Palestinian.

Meanwhile, the media narrative in the United States remains that Jewish students have never been in more danger (zero Jewish students have been killed in the United States this month, while a Palestinian kindergartener was stabbed to death.)

I think it’s a terrifying time to be a Palestinian. I speak out for them because everyday the devastation worsens exponentially.

You’re delusional if you think Muslims in America are at risk of genocide. And stop weaponizing that boy’s death to make an inaccurate argument that Muslims are in intensely more danger than Jews in America.

You weaponize crimes that don't exist and dismiss brutal crimes born out of pervasive and insidious dehumanization of some people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you making repeated antisemitic comments which get deleted, understand that all you are doing for those of us who aren’t Jewish but were horrified by 10/7 and are reconsidering our positions is strengthening our support for Israel.

This thread as a small microcosm and watching what has happened globally post 10/7 has made me a stronger supporter of Israel than I’ve ever been before, significantly so. Why? Because it is crystal clear to me now that if Jews do not have a strongly defended homeland, they will suffer another Holocaust. I did not realize how many people around the world existed that would explicitly cheer that on if it happened and in fact jump in to help. That has been a devastating realization.

Keep doing what you want, but when I read posts that come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it teaches me nothing but support for Israel.

Same. I realize now I can’t just let my Jewish friends sort this one out on their own. Do I support the current government of Israel’s policies wrt to settlements? Hell no. But I support with my whole heart protecting the right of Israel to exist.

Yes. I despise Netanyahu and Likud. I want them out. But my eyes have been entirely opened to the number of people out there who would kill my friends and their children just because they are Jewish. I didn’t realize how bad it was.

I cannot believe how many grossly antisemitic posts I’ve seen here on DCUM, and I’m grateful to Jeff for his willingness to delete them quickly.

Nobody is advocating to kill Jews. That is the biggest strawman.

What I find terrifying is that many Israeli supporters equate slaughtering Palestinians with their survival. Anyone who doesn’t want the genocide of Palestinian children is an antisemite who wants Jews to die.

That binary is horrifying.

People like you believe it and support the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza.

People in the United States believe it too and a 6 year old kindergartener was stabbed to death to preemptively protect Jews from antisemitism. His mom barely survived the attack.

I don’t support terrorism of any kind, however it’s clear to me that the only people in danger of genocide are Palestinians. Since the conflict intensified this month, thousands of Palestinian children have been killed in Gaza. And a Palestinian boy was brutally stabbed to death in the United States for being Palestinian.

Meanwhile, the media narrative in the United States remains that Jewish students have never been in more danger (zero Jewish students have been killed in the United States this month, while a Palestinian kindergartener was stabbed to death.)

I think it’s a terrifying time to be a Palestinian. I speak out for them because everyday the devastation worsens exponentially.

Since you started with an easily disproven lie, I can’t take you remotely seriously. We are literally having this discussion because of 10/7, which apparently you now deny even happened.

You and your clearly insane rhetoric are causing moderates, people like me, to throw our support to Israel. I can’t believe you’d even write the bolded nonsense you did after 10/7. It’s plainly and obviously not true. Why do you promote such easily dismissible lies?

We can start with a simple fact: it is quite obvious MANY people are advocating to kill Jews and Hamas went ahead and made that happen. Don’t deny reality. It’s ridiculous and insults the intelligence of the reasonable people watching denialist nutcases like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you making repeated antisemitic comments which get deleted, understand that all you are doing for those of us who aren’t Jewish but were horrified by 10/7 and are reconsidering our positions is strengthening our support for Israel.

This thread as a small microcosm and watching what has happened globally post 10/7 has made me a stronger supporter of Israel than I’ve ever been before, significantly so. Why? Because it is crystal clear to me now that if Jews do not have a strongly defended homeland, they will suffer another Holocaust. I did not realize how many people around the world existed that would explicitly cheer that on if it happened and in fact jump in to help. That has been a devastating realization.

Keep doing what you want, but when I read posts that come straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it teaches me nothing but support for Israel.

Same. I realize now I can’t just let my Jewish friends sort this one out on their own. Do I support the current government of Israel’s policies wrt to settlements? Hell no. But I support with my whole heart protecting the right of Israel to exist.

Yes. I despise Netanyahu and Likud. I want them out. But my eyes have been entirely opened to the number of people out there who would kill my friends and their children just because they are Jewish. I didn’t realize how bad it was.

I cannot believe how many grossly antisemitic posts I’ve seen here on DCUM, and I’m grateful to Jeff for his willingness to delete them quickly.

Ditto. I knew that antisemitism was alive and well but this is a whole new level. People have really come out of the woodworks on this one and the number of people who openly hate Jews is staggering. These people are r just using this conflict to openly flash their hatred. Both the far right and the far left have made it completely acceptable to spew hatred toward Jews.

[Anonymous]

Ask a “pro-Israel” poster what they believe must happen next for this conflict to stop.

Ask a “pro-Palestine” poster the same.