That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

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What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

I've read he was extremely socially awkward and told his family over winter break he was depressed about not feeling like he fit in. I wonder if dear old dad gave him a motivational talk: get out there son, get some action and you'll feel better!

Said in jest, somewhat.
Brock had freaked out another girl the weekend before with his creepy, predatorial behavior: invading her space, putting his hands all over her body, had difficulty taking "no" for an answer. Reminds me of the way Jesse Matthews acted the night he killed Hannah Graham.
Brock's a douche, face it. I'm so glad he will have a lifelong stigma attached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

?

What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

Yes WOW. I use that analogy because I think that it demonstrates a gray area that is usually present in date rape scenarios. Rarely does date rape involve a 100% non-responsive unaware person. Drinking your self black out drunk is serious. You do things and agree to things that you may not otherwise agree to. You may pass out in the process. You can not assume that other people are going to look out for you and act in your best interests. That goes for men and women. You need to look out for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

I've read he was extremely socially awkward and told his family over winter break he was depressed about not feeling like he fit in. I wonder if dear old dad gave him a motivational talk: get out there son, get some action and you'll feel better!

Said in jest, somewhat.
Brock had freaked out another girl the weekend before with his creepy, predatorial behavior: invading her space, putting his hands all over her body, had difficulty taking "no" for an answer. Reminds me of the way Jesse Matthews acted the night he killed Hannah Graham.
Brock's a douche, face it. I'm so glad he will have a lifelong stigma attached.

I agree that it is inappropriate to refer to sexually touching a passed out girl as "action". That is either an extremely bad choice of words or Brock's daddy is a real weirdo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

?

What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

Yes WOW. I use that analogy because I think that it demonstrates a gray area that is usually present in date rape scenarios. Rarely does date rape involve a 100% non-responsive unaware person. Drinking your self black out drunk is serious. You do things and agree to things that you may not otherwise agree to. You may pass out in the process. You can not assume that other people are going to look out for you and act in your best interests. That goes for men and women. You need to look out for you.

Wow again. Your POV helps perpetuate this culture.

[Anonymous]

RE: action - who knows what the father meant, but he might have used the word action in place of the word crime or rape (as opposed to using it in the sense of "getting some action").

[Anonymous]

"I agree that it is inappropriate to refer to sexually touching a passed out girl as "action". That is either an extremely bad choice of words or Brock's daddy is a real weirdo. "

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:re the photograph: the only evidence presented by the DA was that a message was found in brock's phone the night of the incident stating "who's tits are those?" it was a group message using the app groupme, so could have been a response to anyone participating in the group message. no photograph of tits was found on brock's phone or anyone else's phone.
the man observed standing over the victim using cell phone light could not have been brock. brock went from being with the victim, to being tackled by the swedes, to being in police custody. it could have been one of the swedes as someone suggested, or another passerby.
i encourage all you who would crucify brock to peruse the court documents, not just headlines and few statements published by the DA. santa clara county released 400+ pages of court documents last night: http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/06/10/county-releases-brock-turner-court-documents. palo alto online + stanford daily had reporters in the courtroom throughout the trial and are another legitimate source info. the DA's office was on a crusade to make an example out of brock and draw media attention to the case no matter what. the DA even shirked their ethical duties by bringing rape charges at first when they knew the evidence wasn't there to support, just to chum the waters so to speak.

BrAT could have taken the photo before the Swedes arrived. But we don't really know either way. Someone on the swim team posted a photo of someone's breasts that night.

Someone posted a pic of a breast according to the comment. According to the police report one of Emily's breasts was visible. So it is possible that someone else on this group site walked past her passed out body took a picture and posted it. It's also possible that it was another woman's breast entirely. It was Friday night on a college campus....

[Anonymous]

I don't get the whole "rape culture" thing. If there's truly a rape culture on campus, then why aren't women taking precaution?

I have a different theory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

?

What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

Yes WOW. I use that analogy because I think that it demonstrates a gray area that is usually present in date rape scenarios. Rarely does date rape involve a 100% non-responsive unaware person. Drinking your self black out drunk is serious. You do things and agree to things that you may not otherwise agree to. You may pass out in the process. You can not assume that other people are going to look out for you and act in your best interests. That goes for men and women. You need to look out for you.

Wow again. Your POV helps perpetuate this culture.

And you want it to be safe for women to get drunk/drugged out of their minds to the point where they have no clue where they are. That isn't going to happen. Ever.

Take responsibility for yourself or risk becoming a statistic because like it or not - when you drink yourself into a stupor like that the odds of something bad happening to you go WAY up. That goes for both men and women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get the whole "rape culture" thing. If there's truly a rape culture on campus, then why aren't women taking precaution?

I have a different theory.

I agree. Who would go to these parties if they thought that being attacked and sexually assaulted was inevitable. I sure as hell wouldn't.

I went to those parties to have fun and drink and socialize and, yes, meet guys dance and sometimes fool around with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:/\ ...and blaming the drunk person only seems to happen in cases of sexual assault.

?

What? Not true.

First, it's not victim blaming to point out how reckless it is to black out anywhere. It's a teachable moment IMHO.

If a drunk passes out and gets robbed, people would have the same reaction: sucks that you were robbed---robbery is a crime---you might not have been robbed had you not been passed out/walking down the dark alley/walking across the campus alone at 2am. Rape, robbery, falling in a ditch, whatever. A person's actions usually play a role. Pointing that out isn't victim blaming though. It's just a fact.

Yes, you are victim blaming.

If I'm sh*t faced drunk at a bar and I tell a guy that he can have access to the money in my purse. I smile and open my purse and show him the money. And he happily takes my money and buys himself dinner, appetizers and drinks. I wake up in the morning to find my money all gone. I'm not sure what happened to my money. Since I don't remember what happened to my money that means that it must have been stolen. Right?

Wow.

Yes WOW. I use that analogy because I think that it demonstrates a gray area that is usually present in date rape scenarios. Rarely does date rape involve a 100% non-responsive unaware person. Drinking your self black out drunk is serious. You do things and agree to things that you may not otherwise agree to. You may pass out in the process. You can not assume that other people are going to look out for you and act in your best interests. That goes for men and women. You need to look out for you.

If I give you ten dollars, you don't have permission to take another one hundred out of my purse if I pass out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get the whole "rape culture" thing. If there's truly a rape culture on campus, then why aren't women taking precaution?

I have a different theory.

1 in 6 college women are sexually assaulted before they graduate. Denial is part of the problem. We don't warn women. We don't prosecute rapists. We shame women for coming forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, by the way, he had an extensive history of alcohol and drug use in high school. And there was testimony from another woman that he had gotten aggressive with her the prior week. 20 minutes of action? Bullshit. More like a pattern of this behavior. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/10/court-records-shed-more-light-on-the-brock-turner-sexual-assault-case/

I'm not going to buy the Washington Post. But from what I've read other places there is evidence that he drank and experimented with drugs during the spring of his senior year of HS.

I haven't seen where he had any kind of experience with social drinking, hooking up, etc. He was a relative newbie to the whole frat party drinking hook up scene.

Does the Post report differently?

Yes. Pictures in his phone that appear to show him holding a pipe to smoke pot. Messages from his phone where he said he "raged" for an hour and a half the prior night. "Repeated exchanges" in his cell phone about buying and using drugs and alcohol. All his Senior year of HS. And testimony from a girl at a party a week prior to the Incident about unwanted touching at a party, not taking no for an answer, that he "creeped her out," that he was very overly persistent, and that she was finally able to "get away."

So, choirboy who just overdid it a little the first time he drank? Nope. One bad decision his whole life? Nope. This guy was a predator who likes to party in the fine tradition of the likes of Duke LAX.

Betcha that with the pics of the exposed breasts in a swim team group chat, we've just seen the tip of the iceberg with Stanford Swimming.