Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

Such freedom when frail and vulnerable has its price.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

And there’s also goes along with what the sheriff said last Friday that Internet rumors can ruin peoples lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

This means absolutely nothing though - of course she consented, she doesn’t want to look guilty. What criminal actually declines the search. That’s sending a huge red flag to law enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

Such freedom when frail and vulnerable has its price.

We all pay the piper at some point, right? 1/gajillion odds of getting kidnapped. Yes, you can fall, have accidents, need aid, etc. but for someone of sound mind and body, the trade off in losing freedom to have in home health is likely not worth the price and I don’t disagree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

This means absolutely nothing though - of course she consented, she doesn’t want to look guilty. What criminal actually declines the search. That’s sending a huge red flag to law enforcement.

I think if BIL is shady, Annie probably has no clue. Wife is always last to know

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Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

This means absolutely nothing though - of course she consented, she doesn’t want to look guilty. What criminal actually declines the search. That’s sending a huge red flag to law enforcement.

Then they can get a search warrant. They should not want to leave any stone unturned at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

Such freedom when frail and vulnerable has its price.

We all pay the piper at some point, right? 1/gajillion odds of getting kidnapped. Yes, you can fall, have accidents, need aid, etc. but for someone of sound mind and body, the trade off in losing freedom to have in home health is likely not worth the price and I don’t disagree.

Each to his own.

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Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

This means absolutely nothing though - of course she consented, she doesn’t want to look guilty. What criminal actually declines the search. That’s sending a huge red flag to law enforcement.

Then they can get a search warrant. They should not want to leave any stone unturned at this point.

Exactly.

Annie can consent and if LE is suspicious, they *still* get a warrant, despite her consent.

The fact that they didn't get the warrant, apparently says LE doesn't have a high suspicion of her and/or husband.

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Anonymous wrote:Can everyone stop saying “million dollar home” like that means something any more. I live in a 1992 4br colonial with zero updates other than paint that is worth “a million dollars.” I assure you we are not living large over here.

No, I will not stop saying a fact. A disabled widow in their 80s living in a large million dollar home on a desolated property is a recipe for disaster. Do you have any comprehension of what this sort of large property and a paid off million dollar home looks like to someone who makes minimum wage? Now think about all the delivery drivers, handy men, landscapers, home health aides, and various nomadic criminals lurking around. Even just indirectly workers mentioning how a certain nice house they visited has this lonely crippled old lady living alone. That's all it takes.

You sound clueless. It's not a massive home on a desolate property. You can see all the neighbors in the drone footage. This is hardly an impressive property for the area. They see much better on a daily basis.

It’s literally a million plus dollar home. You clearly have no grasp of what a million dollar asset is to someone who makes minimum wage and the assumptions they make about her and/or her family’s net worth. And 3,000+ sq/ft on that large lot is gigantic, especially in the context of a disabled old widow. This elderly woman was a sitting duck in such a home.

I’m from Tucson and you don’t know wTF you are talking about. There are lots and lots of single old ladies there. That’s one of tucsons top exonomic drivers. They don’t have a lot of specific over 55 places in Tucson (I know because we looked) because everyone is just aging I no place. And this is not a splashy house — you can easily heads further up tj hills to find houses more deserted with richer residents.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

Such freedom when frail and vulnerable has its price.

We all pay the piper at some point, right? 1/gajillion odds of getting kidnapped. Yes, you can fall, have accidents, need aid, etc. but for someone of sound mind and body, the trade off in losing freedom to have in home health is likely not worth the price and I don’t disagree.

Your odds of being assaulted in a nursing facility are definitely higher than your odds of being kidnapped out of your home.

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Anonymous wrote:Can everyone stop saying “million dollar home” like that means something any more. I live in a 1992 4br colonial with zero updates other than paint that is worth “a million dollars.” I assure you we are not living large over here.

No, I will not stop saying a fact. A disabled widow in their 80s living in a large million dollar home on a desolated property is a recipe for disaster. Do you have any comprehension of what this sort of large property and a paid off million dollar home looks like to someone who makes minimum wage? Now think about all the delivery drivers, handy men, landscapers, home health aides, and various nomadic criminals lurking around. Even just indirectly workers mentioning how a certain nice house they visited has this lonely crippled old lady living alone. That's all it takes.

You sound clueless. It's not a massive home on a desolate property. You can see all the neighbors in the drone footage. This is hardly an impressive property for the area. They see much better on a daily basis.

It’s literally a million plus dollar home. You clearly have no grasp of what a million dollar asset is to someone who makes minimum wage and the assumptions they make about her and/or her family’s net worth. And 3,000+ sq/ft on that large lot is gigantic, especially in the context of a disabled old widow. This elderly woman was a sitting duck in such a home.

I’m from Tucson and you don’t know wTF you are talking about. There are lots and lots of single old ladies there. That’s one of tucsons top exonomic drivers. They don’t have a lot of specific over 55 places in Tucson (I know because we looked) because everyone is just aging I no place. And this is not a splashy house — you can easily heads further up tj hills to find houses more deserted with richer residents.

Glad to hear all those fragile, elderly ladies in their 80s are safely situated.

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Anonymous wrote:Brian Entin is reporting that he talked to a former FBI law enforcement expert who said that Annie consented to the searches of her house and garage the past few days.

The expert said if LE is at all suspicious, they usually will get a search warrant, instead of relying on a consensual search, because it holds up better later in court.

You can infer from this that since the search of daughter Annie's house was consensual, that LE isn't highly suspicious of her or her husband the "SIL".

And there’s also goes along with what the sheriff said last Friday that Internet rumors can ruin peoples lives.

And the sister and BIL haven't lawyered up as far as I can tell. They don't appear guilty to me. What exactly are people pointing to to suggest otherwise?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s odd an elderly woman living in a large house alone (and the mother of a celebrity) wouldn’t have a better security system? It sounds like there was a barely functioning ring doorbell and something that let them know ‘approximately’ when the garage was closed.

I’m a nobody but I have a system that is much more precise than that - it at least would be able to tell me the exact time a person was on my driveway; what time they were at the door; and what time the door was opened, with supporting video that goes to an app.

+1 She did not have enough supports in place for someone of her age and health issues living alone on that property. .

Even if true, what does that have to do with her being kidnapped??? The elderly don't get support to deter kidnappers, as far as I know.

All this says is nobody should sleep alone. That's not really practical to prevent this type of completely bizarre and unusual crime.

Having a strong, healthy caregiver or companion who's mobile without a cane can do much to help when a break-in occurs or prevent one from happening. .

Caregivers are paid next to nothing. You cannot expect them to body guards.

They can call 911. They can run faster. They can make sure alarm is on. Two people better than one.

You can’t force someone to live with someone if they don’t want to. Nancy is not incompetent.

Yes, you can. The real issue is too few Americans want an elderly parent to move in with their family. It’s easier for them to be out of sight out of mind…until predictably, tragedy happens.

No you can't. You can ask, cajole, but any person determined to be of sound mind cannot be forced to do something against their will. And many elderly don't want to live in a controlled environment--either paid for or with family. They want to be in charge, not at the mercy of other people telling them what to do.

Such freedom when frail and vulnerable has its price.

Everything has a price. When you're 84, get back to us on what you choose.