Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.
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It doesn't seem like these families make school decisions based in academics.

Unless something's changed in the past 25 years, I don't think the schools are making any academic decisions either for these students. My senior year I somehow ended up in a government class with the football team. Now, my pop worked for the fed, and because of that I had an interest and detailed knowledge on how government works, but the crap they were teaching in this class was at the elementary school level, and I was bored to tears. The school was doing no service to these kids by giving them an easy path to graduate, especially since our football team sucked (and apparently still does)...
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The violation was for recruiting.

WHO would have been the person doing the recruiting, if not the coach?
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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this


The VHSL explains that there are people other than a coach who could be recruiting.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

Right and these slanderous individuals should apologize for dragging Overton’s name.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.


PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.


PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.


They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

Right and these slanderous individuals should apologize for dragging Overton’s name.


Hilarious! He's a cheater and a fool and an embarassment to FCPS. He singlehandedly destroyed two football programs in one year.
They are probably waiting to quietly fire him bc they never want to admit they screwed up.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm shocked he wasn't fired immediately. The VHSL says your coach cheated so badly that one of your teams can't be in the playoffs for TWO YEARS and you don't fire him immediately?

They didn’t say anything about the coach cheating.


Oh honey. The infraction was "proselytizing". That means THE COACH RECRUITED players. That's against the rules. Its cheating. The coach cheated. How can you not follow this logic?

No it doesn’t.


“No it doesn’t” what? Mean he recruited? If not him directly, then someone, because what else do you think that rule means? And as head coach, the buck stops with him as far as his players are concerned. No way did that number of kids and their families up and move (assuming there is in fact no merit to the ineligibility claims) to follow him on a whim, and he never asked questions or knew anything about it but just pushed out some 15 former Hayfield players to make room.

Doesn’t mean the coach did anything. And they didn’t even say what brought them to that conclusion.


You are ridiculous. They've been caught red handed and you Overton fans will deflect and dodge and ignore the truth.


A lot to go back and read, so can someone help me out, please. Without actual evidence VHSL says he violated a clause not by proof but insinuation.
14 kids left Freedom and are on Hayfield roster, well if there allegedly 50 on Freedom what happened to rest of kids?
The local press has him in all newspapers as being hired to Hayfield but yet he has to take blame for trying to better himself?
15 kids no longer playin this roster ?Didn’t say if they were returning kids or first year kids or what’s their reasoning for not playin, but in that 15 how many kids transferred to other schools, and did they transfer to non powerhouse schools like Justice or Edison or did the transfer to better programs such as West Springfield and South County?

I can undeStand some things but it seems there is no real proof because if it was had then I’m sure it would have been stated. It always just states they feel he violated the spirit of how they view it. Thanks for reading, if you did.

Yeah VHSL is saying a rules were violated and quote the policy, but not specifically who or how.

It’s almost like they are just saying a bunch of kids moved into the Hayfield school zone so you must’ve cheated and then have nerve to ban them from the playoffs.


If VHSL identified specific kids you'd be crying even harder.

They didn’t need to identify anyone. Just say what happened since you are publicly making accusations.


One Freedom to Hayfield parent seems to be saying on Facebook that there are texts from an assistant to students and/or parents suggesting or encouraging them to transfer from Freedom to Hayfield.

The parents rebuttal to this is that her kid has “been with Overton since he was 8” and thus needed no encouragement. That’s not exactly the rebuttal she thinks it is but gives some insight into parents’ state of mind.


Almost all of the Overton entourage seem to not fundamentally understand the proselytizing concept.


So unless there is proof that he or coaches influenced them to leave what “proof” or mocking gun can they say. This is just their feelings about him leaving the other school.

You leave one job for another are you supposed to worry what they do after you leave.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


In short form they are but in reality have no real proof, which means speculation. If they truly had evidence of him doing something this egregious, yes he would be fired.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Him saying he was leaving, the local press putting it out there as well. It’s not the coach to blame, I’m sure this is more about the kids n parents LOYALTY to the coach, and now VHSL is mad about that.
They wanna blame administrators, but if kids are address eligible then how can you be mad. Maybe some folks don’t understand the word
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.


The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.


Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this



Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.


PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.


Bingo…but technically they couldn’t, I’m sure most tranfers were online n the school submits the exiting school for transcripts. So depending on whose admissions they can’t all say or assume the kids were for football.
They talk about 14 Freedom 5 from private n some 8th graders. Whose to say they can tell a families financial situation n make there kid stay at a private school n 8th graders don’t even count. All circumstantial
Anonymous
This whole thing is giving me OJ trial. They wanna make something stick so bad FCPS tried him not guilty, here come the VHSL civil suit, with circumstantial evidence at best
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