US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

Is it any wonder many Asian parents have made it their life goal of providing every educational advantage for their kids who must face this kind of racism in their future? What parents would not drink the poison to give their kids the the best education possible that can open opportunities they never saw in their lifetime?

[Anonymous]

It will be interesting to watch how colleges & universities respond to this US Supreme Court decision squashing affirmative action. Maybe some borderline students will be asked to interview with an admissions rep. Certainly teacher recs will become more important.

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It’s unclear why affirmative action was still necessary in 2023. It had a good run for 50 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

Of course I absolutely hate ALDC.
Blacks, Aisans, non-ALDC Whites tax payers should be united against ALDC.

That’s laughable.

The only reason SCOTUS killed AA was to hold onto white power. And guess what, they won’t get rid of ADLC. Pawns.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

Of course I absolutely hate ALDC.
Blacks, Aisans, non-ALDC Whites tax payers should be united against ALDC.

That’s laughable.

The only reason SCOTUS killed AA was to hold onto white power. And guess what, they won’t get rid of ADLC. Pawns.

You have a loser mindset.
We don't need SCOTUS for that.
Colleges get ton of aid/support from local and federal governemtns ran by our tax.
Tax payers and voters have the power.

I have a dream that one day people live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the staus of their ALDC but by the content of their character.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

[Anonymous]

Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

Of course I absolutely hate ALDC.
Blacks, Aisans, non-ALDC Whites tax payers should be united against ALDC.

That’s laughable.

The only reason SCOTUS killed AA was to hold onto white power. And guess what, they won’t get rid of ADLC. Pawns.

You have a loser mindset.
We don't need SCOTUS for that.
Colleges get ton of aid/support from local and federal governemtns ran by our tax.
Tax payers and voters have the power.

I have a dream that one day people live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the staus of their ALDC but by the content of their character.

And I have a dream that women have bodily autonomy.

Taxpayers and voters don’t have the power. It’s been stolen by corrupt, determined people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

It was mostly racism against Asians to begin, then some Asians reacting to it.

It's understnadable somewhat that they got mad at the decision, but it shows their true color when they say they love diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

(OP here)

This, in my view, is an important perspective to acknowledge: "Cheapened the degree" versus "enriched the educational experience" versus "corrected an historical wrong".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

It was mostly racism against Asians to begin, then some Asians reacting to it.

It's understnadable somewhat that they got mad at the decision, but it shows their true color when they say they love diversity.

Right, because, to begin with, there’s no racism against people who are black and Hispanic… oh, wait a minute…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

Of course I absolutely hate ALDC.
Blacks, Aisans, non-ALDC Whites tax payers should be united against ALDC.

That’s laughable.

The only reason SCOTUS killed AA was to hold onto white power. And guess what, they won’t get rid of ADLC. Pawns.

You have a loser mindset.
We don't need SCOTUS for that.
Colleges get ton of aid/support from local and federal governemtns ran by our tax.
Tax payers and voters have the power.

I have a dream that one day people live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the staus of their ALDC but by the content of their character.

And I have a dream that women have bodily autonomy.

Taxpayers and voters don’t have the power. It’s been stolen by corrupt, determined people.

They absolutely have the power. The laws surrounding abortion was returned to the states, which means ELECTED officials, voted on by citizens, determine what the laws are for a state.
But you knew this.