US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

It is wrong to completely discard the SAT as unfair and biased. It is in fact more fair than many other metrics used for admissions like goa, essays, letters of recommendations, extracurriculars.

This being said, anyone is free to choose a path that follows their interest and strengths. Some kids may do well focusing on academics and that could include a testing aspect, SAT or APs. Some may choose to focus on extracurriculars. Either is valid and worthy. To discount the effort of the kids studying for the SAT, as prep bots is just low. You can do better than this.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

Rich white legacies, too. Asian applicants are coming to eat your lunch.

Rich, white legacies are untouchable. They are the people who got rid of AA and will protect ADLC.

Asian Americans were pawns.

Most legacies who apply to top schools are not admitted.

They are admitted at a much higher rate (ED) than non-legacy.

[Anonymous]

There was a good opinion piece in the New Yorker that mentioned all the things Harvard could have done beyond/in addition to dinging Asian applicants on personality if the institution was so dedicated to real diversity. Also raised the point that this is about a vanishingly small percent of colleges and universities-most are basically open admission.

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Anonymous wrote:[ quote=Anonymous][ quote=Anonymous]
Yeah!

- Asian.[/ quote]

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.[/ quote]

Did you check the box?

Great question.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court decision is opening the way to support the truly disadvantaged students.

Otherwise you end up with solidly upper middle class kids that claim they did overcome formidable obstacles when in fact they had a life equally as pampered as the rest of the kids in their upper class neighborhood.

Admission officers can make a more nuanced judgement, race won’t equal adversity by default. But that doesn’t mean it is completely out, it just depends on particular circumstances. As it should be.

Admissions officers must fill a class with students who can pay full tuition, so they are limited in how many disadvantaged students they can truly admit. Also, students taking on massive loans need to tread carefully. Even if they get it, how will they pay? This is true for both middle class students and disadvantaged ones. Obviously the most selective schools and some states have free/low cost tuition, but outside of that…colleges must balance a class economically.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

Also, you are thinking very one-dimensionally.
Wealthy families hire tutors and take numerous AP classes, as well as advanced math courses like multivariable calculus and differential equations at local colleges, which enhance the rigor points and weighed GPA.

The SAT, at the very least, only covers fundamental materials. If a low-income student is intelligent and determined, there are plenty of excellent free preparation resources available. In fact, standardized tests can be the best tool for economically disadvantaged, bright students.

If you are from a low-income background and lack intelligence, there isn't much you can complain about.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

So, for you, it’s not about “fairness” at all.

The world will never be pectly fair. That's why we have objective tests. Everyone takes the same exam for a same given amount of time with their own brain.

How about ADLCs? They make up a significant portion of admissions. More so than URMs at many schools.

Of course I absolutely hate ALDC.
Blacks, Aisans, non-ALDC Whites tax payers should be united against ALDC.

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It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

[Anonymous]

Now colleges that get federal money will potentially be liable for life altering punitive damages if they continue to violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

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Yeah!

- Asian.[/ quote]

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.[/ quote]

Did you check the box?

Great question.

Any "stigma" is based on a self-developed pretense, and, why should anyone, including the "black" students, care if anyone thinks along the lines of a stigma? People have freedom of though, this is not a problem that needs to be solved.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

What if your kid gets a less than stellar teacher? A tutor can step in for that situation. No kid should be left to totally teach themselves, especially subjects that are more abstract and require critical thinking. If a tutor helps a kids learn something better than the teacher taught it and better than a kdi can self-teach, why not? Why not learn as much as you can. Isn't that the goal?

Being tutored because you determine that your child’s teacher is ‘less than stellar’ is, I don’t know, privileged? It’s a mindset I am unfamiliar with. It’s the new parenting micromanaging model. People just never used to do this, just because they thought they needed to learn in a ‘better’ way than than the school could provide, just admit it’s to get a leg up. I always thought tutors were mainly used for learning disabled kids.

What are you saying, kids should be left to their own devices? It's not only in the academics. It's also true in sports, music, you name it, in any field where people are trying to improve themselves, there are private lessons, after hour practices, lessons, scrimmages, competitions, professional coaching, etc. Are you, for example, limiting pro-aspiring student athletes to 30 mins of practice a day, no coaching, no sports doctors, etc.? These are all privileges that many cannot afford. Those who can afford have a leg up.