Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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jsteele wrote:This happened in a refugee camp in the West Bank today. You can see how Israel diligently avoids civilian casualties.

How do you know that he was not targeted because Israel had information about him being involved in something? Also, why are you so one sided? Don’t see any posts by you about the atrocities that were done to Israelis.

Plenty of people are posting about the atrocities that were done to Israelis. Nobody is posting about this child. Sadly I am not surprised that you would find a justification for the murder. Israelis could literally kill a child in cold blood on video and you would excuse it. Oh, that's exactly what just happened.

Hamas could literally cut a pregnant woman open and kill her unborn baby and you would NEVER post that. One sided, like I said.

As I said, I wouldn't have to because someone else would beat me to it. But, unlike you, I wouldn't post an excuse for it.

You post pro Palestinian messages, exclusively. You have been doing this for years, on every Israel/Palestine thread. Just admit to having a bias. All of your pro-Palestinian messages a basically an excuse for October 7 violence.

I have never denied being supportive of the Palestinians. There is not much to praise about the current Israeli government and hasn't been for many years. I condemned the October 7 attack the day that it occurred. I have no problem condemning Hamas' atrocities but you can't bring yourself to utter the slightest criticism of Israel even when you see a 15 year old brutally murdered with your own eyes. I would argue that I am far more objective than you.

Jeff, I would just urge you to be more critical of what is coming out of Gaza. You were arguably too quick to accept that Israel bombed the hospital and targeted the church.

You also really didn’t seem to want to accept that Shani Louk had her bones broken and was almost certainly raped and tortured.

It seems like you have a fairly low evidentiary barrier for allegations against Israel. That’s all.

As I said, both me and Netanyahu's social media guy were on the same page about Israel having bombed the hospital. Israel did damage the church and killed many Christians. Whether they targeted the church or not is really not important. They are knowledgeable enough to that their attack would cause damage to the church and would have known that civilians would be there. That was considered acceptable. This last video is not from Gaza and was provided by an Israeli group.

Recognize that when it comes to the church being collateral damage in a strike on an enemy command center, that is consistent with international law. I’m sure you know that.

Maybe lawyering the issue helps with your conscience but the fact remains that an Israeli commander decided to that Christian non-combatants were acceptable to be killed. Moreover, what evidence is there that there was, in fact, a Hamas command center? Israel can hit any target it wants and simply say there was a military target near by and almost everyone will accept it.

You realize Jeff that the US military has JAG lawyers reviewing bombing targets to determine whether the risk to civilians is justified? Not to eliminate civilian deaths but justify them. This is how war works. Particularly against an adversary that uses civilians as shields.

Yes, I fully agree. This is exactly what I'm saying. The killing of the Christians was not an accident. It was an acceptable outcome according to the Israelis and accepted as such by the country's supporters.

I think the PP is saying, accepted by lawyers. What more can we do?

If they're getting legal advice then they found their John Yoo. It really does appear that they have free fire as their rule of engagement and civilian pain as part of their strategy.

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:This happened in a refugee camp in the West Bank today. You can see how Israel diligently avoids civilian casualties.

How do you know that he was not targeted because Israel had information about him being involved in something? Also, why are you so one sided? Don’t see any posts by you about the atrocities that were done to Israelis.

Plenty of people are posting about the atrocities that were done to Israelis. Nobody is posting about this child. Sadly I am not surprised that you would find a justification for the murder. Israelis could literally kill a child in cold blood on video and you would excuse it. Oh, that's exactly what just happened.

Hamas could literally cut a pregnant woman open and kill her unborn baby and you would NEVER post that. One sided, like I said.

As I said, I wouldn't have to because someone else would beat me to it. But, unlike you, I wouldn't post an excuse for it.

You post pro Palestinian messages, exclusively. You have been doing this for years, on every Israel/Palestine thread. Just admit to having a bias. All of your pro-Palestinian messages a basically an excuse for October 7 violence.

I have never denied being supportive of the Palestinians. There is not much to praise about the current Israeli government and hasn't been for many years. I condemned the October 7 attack the day that it occurred. I have no problem condemning Hamas' atrocities but you can't bring yourself to utter the slightest criticism of Israel even when you see a 15 year old brutally murdered with your own eyes. I would argue that I am far more objective than you.

Jeff, I would just urge you to be more critical of what is coming out of Gaza. You were arguably too quick to accept that Israel bombed the hospital and targeted the church.

You also really didn’t seem to want to accept that Shani Louk had her bones broken and was almost certainly raped and tortured.

It seems like you have a fairly low evidentiary barrier for allegations against Israel. That’s all.

As I said, both me and Netanyahu's social media guy were on the same page about Israel having bombed the hospital. Israel did damage the church and killed many Christians. Whether they targeted the church or not is really not important. They are knowledgeable enough to that their attack would cause damage to the church and would have known that civilians would be there. That was considered acceptable. This last video is not from Gaza and was provided by an Israeli group.

Recognize that when it comes to the church being collateral damage in a strike on an enemy command center, that is consistent with international law. I’m sure you know that.

Maybe lawyering the issue helps with your conscience but the fact remains that an Israeli commander decided to that Christian non-combatants were acceptable to be killed. Moreover, what evidence is there that there was, in fact, a Hamas command center? Israel can hit any target it wants and simply say there was a military target near by and almost everyone will accept it.

You realize Jeff that the US military has JAG lawyers reviewing bombing targets to determine whether the risk to civilians is justified? Not to eliminate civilian deaths but justify them. This is how war works. Particularly against an adversary that uses civilians as shields.

Yes, I fully agree. This is exactly what I'm saying. The killing of the Christians was not an accident. It was an acceptable outcome according to the Israelis and accepted as such by the country's supporters.

I think the PP is saying, accepted by lawyers. What more can we do?

If they're getting legal advice then they found their John Yoo. It really does appear that they have free fire as their rule of engagement and civilian pain as part of their strategy.

wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If IDF claims that Hamas is hiding below ground, then why is IDF bombing areas above ground and killing civilians? What is the ratio of civilians to combatants that Israel is killing?

Good question. As we all know, it is likely extremely high. Based on their announced kills, and using an extremely conservative estimate for civilian deaths, the ratio is hundreds to one.

And if they think the tunnels are running out of fuel, which is why they refuse to let in fuel for humanitarian purposes and supposedly rejected a hostages for fuel deal, then why did they claim Hamas had all those storage tanks of fuel? Presumably it's a smart psyop, but it does continue to decrease Israel's credibility and is a dangerous gamble to play with civilian lives.

There would also be multiple blasts during bombings if there were really were tons of Hamas ammo and explosive stockpiles /storage units under civilian structures

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Blinken will cost Biden the presidency.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3Cw26N93R/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Super safe to be a Jew in the U.S. right now.

It is a million times safer than Palestinians in Gaza, so let’s count our blessings.

So you believe that citizens of this country should feel unsafe at their universities because of a conflict that’s thousands of miles away? Collective punishment much?

Tell Biden not to drag us further into this cesspool conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:One should at least provide the dead the dignity of the term civilian. Calling them a Hamas human shield is disgusting.

Do you think Gazans would even live there if militants were operating below preschools and playgrounds? Do you think a Gazan man or any man would go to work peacefully knowing a group of random armed men are living 24/7 right below his wife and kids?

I thought they had no choice?

DP. I tend to think that Hamas, by controlling food, pipes, etc., exerted a strong degree of coercion over Gazans. Pipes for tunnels and bombs—instead of for peaceful purposes. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blinken will cost Biden the presidency.

No—Cornel West will.

[Anonymous]

Barrage of rockets hit Tel Aviv tonight, overwhelming iron dome and causing power outages. A hospital in a resort town in Egypt was also hit by a missle earlier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3Cw26N93R/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Super safe to be a Jew in the U.S. right now.

It is a million times safer than Palestinians in Gaza, so let’s count our blessings.

So you believe that citizens of this country should feel unsafe at their universities because of a conflict that’s thousands of miles away? Collective punishment much?

Tell Biden not to drag us further into this cesspool conflict.

We are attacking Iranian back units in Syria. Netanyahu’s wet dream. Is this worth it? Oh Biden time to think about the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3Cw26N93R/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Super safe to be a Jew in the U.S. right now.

It is a million times safer than Palestinians in Gaza, so let’s count our blessings.

So you believe that citizens of this country should feel unsafe at their universities because of a conflict that’s thousands of miles away? Collective punishment much?

Tell Biden not to drag us further into this cesspool conflict.

We are attacking Iranian back units in Syria. Netanyahu’s wet dream. Is this worth it? Oh Biden time to think about the US.

Biden isn’t going to be here much longer to think about what’s best for the US. He doesn’t care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Barrage of rockets hit Tel Aviv tonight, overwhelming iron dome and causing power outages. A hospital in a resort town in Egypt was also hit by a missle earlier.

Maybe Hamas intelligence has evidence of an Israeli military operation going on in that hospital. Isn’t that all it takes to justify bombing civilians?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One should at least provide the dead the dignity of the term civilian. Calling them a Hamas human shield is disgusting.

Do you think Gazans would even live there if militants were operating below preschools and playgrounds? Do you think a Gazan man or any man would go to work peacefully knowing a group of random armed men are living 24/7 right below his wife and kids?

I thought they had no choice?

DP. I tend to think that Hamas, by controlling food, pipes, etc., exerted a strong degree of coercion over Gazans. Pipes for tunnels and bombs—instead of for peaceful purposes. Sad.

Hamas can’t really do much about food as Israel has a blockade on Gaza so no ports or shipments can come in. Gaza Strip is as dense as Manhattan and isn’t agriculturally friendly like the West Bank. If anything, the tunnels probably help bring in food items from Egypt and that probably was the driving force behind their creation . Necessity is the mother of invention so a blockade by the Israelis unfortunately made Hamas craftier than they would’ve been without the blockade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One should at least provide the dead the dignity of the term civilian. Calling them a Hamas human shield is disgusting.

Do you think Gazans would even live there if militants were operating below preschools and playgrounds? Do you think a Gazan man or any man would go to work peacefully knowing a group of random armed men are living 24/7 right below his wife and kids?

I thought they had no choice?

DP. I tend to think that Hamas, by controlling food, pipes, etc., exerted a strong degree of coercion over Gazans. Pipes for tunnels and bombs—instead of for peaceful purposes. Sad.

Hamas can’t really do much about food as Israel has a blockade on Gaza so no ports or shipments can come in. Gaza Strip is as dense as Manhattan and isn’t agriculturally friendly like the West Bank. If anything, the tunnels probably help bring in food items from Egypt and that probably was the driving force behind their creation . Necessity is the mother of invention so a blockade by the Israelis unfortunately made Hamas craftier than they would’ve been without the blockade.

Gaza was well provided for by the UN. Hamas siphoned lots of provisions away for their tunnels. Egypt was annoyed by the tunnels at one point, so it flooded many.

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Anonymous wrote:Blinken will cost Biden the presidency.

Forget the presidency, these decisions are not good for U.S foreign policy, they are only good for Israelis.

As for Blinken, I don’t think he was ready for prime time. I have seen door knobs with more charisma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Barrage of rockets hit Tel Aviv tonight, overwhelming iron dome and causing power outages. A hospital in a resort town in Egypt was also hit by a missle earlier.

Maybe Hamas intelligence has evidence of an Israeli military operation going on in that hospital. Isn’t that all it takes to justify bombing civilians?

An Israeli military operation in a town in Egypt?