With Love, Meghan on Netflix

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Anonymous wrote:I think that Meghan attracts defenders because they sincerely believe that people criticizing her are racist or envy her marriage. I don’t get that, I myself am mixed race, and I find her husband repugnant.

I posted the Tina Brown review from her substack and some fired up stan immediately screamed that Brown always criticized MM. But that’s not true. She wrote many, many times about how MM represented a fresh perspective and how she breathed life into a dreary irrelevant institution. She was one of the most elite of her fans - she was EIC of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker. So - I mean, that just not true, and it speaks to the I don’t know what the best phrasing is, irrationality, dishonesty, immaturity, anger, of her fans here. It’s just not necessary. The link is actual show discussion, and the raves against MM’s “attackers” is not actually about the show.

I don’t like MM and have always seen her as mean and two-faced, starting from her Oprah interview. It’s a legitimate view, as is Brown’s take. It makes sense that the prerecorded “season 2” episode was lopped off in order to have something to push her jam whenever it’s released. We’ll see if Netflix makes them another massive money deal.

A good take. I can’t imagine Netflix will be willing to pay those ‘grifters’ any more than they already have to

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It has been said many tomes and I agree that people dislike her because she is so inauthentic. The narrative she is trying to sell is one of a perfect romance and perfect family but we all know for a fact that both she and harry are both bitterly estranged from there very dysfunctional families so the starting point is a load of bs. Also pretty fake that she hates baking, has never made candles before and is afraid of bees…

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Isn't her legal name Rachel Markle? Megan is her middle name. That's not really cosplaying.

The point is her legal name is not actually Sussex as was claimed in a huge moment on the show.

She didn't make any claim about her legal name, she just stated that she identifies as "Sussex" not Markle. And then provided an explanation as to why. The fact that some of you are flipping out about this says much more about you than her.

I don't even think it was a "huge moment" on the show. It was a very brief conversation. YOU have made it a huge moment because for some reason it's very important to you that Meghan be forced to use her maiden name forever even if she doesn't want to, which is deranged.

But it's not her maiden name, lol. It's her current legal name, and the name of her kids as well. They have "Markle" on their birth certificate. At no point did she ever change their name to Sussex, which would be very bizarre considering it's no one's legal name in the family.

It is definitively her maiden name. Some women keep their maiden name. It sounds like Meghan does not want to keep hers but that there may be an issue with what she changes it to because the naming conventions in her husband's family are weird.

But I don't think it would be "bizarre" in that situation to simply legally change everyone's last name to Sussex.

This is actually a relatable problem to me because I had issues with my name when I got married and it was also hard to get people to call me by my new name (hyphenated) because people are stubborn and weird. The whole thing winds up being political and annoying when, hello, it's my name and you should call me what I tell you my name is. I did ultimately change my name legally but it took a while and in the meantime, I 100% expected people to call me by my newly adopted name, not my maiden name. So I'm totally on Meghan's side here. It is not some "gotcha" that her chosen name may not be her legal name. That's paperwork. Call people what they ask to be called or GTFO.

In any case, it is her current name, and the current name of her children. There is no legal precedent for her to change her name to Sussex. Of course she could, in the same way I could march down to the courthouse and change mine to Sussex. But it would be pretty bizarre of both myself and MM to do that considering it's not our legal name in any sense.

No, it would be normal for the Duchess of Sussex to change her and her kid's legal US names to Sussex as a way to simplify their names. People often make choices like this when navigating marital name conflicts or immigration naming issues.

It would be totally deranged for you to do so, as you are not the Duchess of Sussex.

I think this is why you are so mad, actually.

Considering that Sussex is NOT a last name and the name of a geographical area, yes it would be pretty deranged. But yeah, maybe everyone should just change their name to it and we can all have a good laugh.

The point is Meghan herself claimed that her name is Sussex. But ahe apparently does not use the name legally? It is very weird. I am going to change my name to "Princess Diana" but not legally. It will just be the name I declare for myself.

The difference here is that Meghan legally owns a title, the Duchess of Sussex, and many other people who have had the titles Duke of and Duchess of have used the house name as their surname, so Meghan does as well. Whereas you are not a Princess and your name is not Diana. So what Meghan is doing is normal and in keeping with the traditions of her husband's family, whereas you calling yourself Princess Diana would be psychotic.

And again, I think that's what bothers you. Meghan is actually entitled to style herself as Meghan Sussex because she is, in fact, the Duchess of Sussex. Just as other members of that family have done for years. But you aren't entitled to do so because you aren't a Duchess. This obviously makes you very, very mad for some reason.

OK I understand being entitled to use a name. I am married and could use my husband's name, but my legal name is still my maiden name. I do nor go around correcting people and saying my husband's name is my actual name. The reason I don't do that is his name is not my actual, legal name.

So the point remains that "Sussex" is not her legal name according to any documents. Her legal name is "Markle." So she lied about her name being Sussex. The point of lying was to have a "gotcha" moment with Mindy Kaling.

Lied about her name? Are you insane? EVERYONE knows her name. Meghan Markle Sussex whatever has out white womaned (yes made this up), white women. She is able to live the most white womanly life ever, while still enjoying the benefits being a POC. It is driving some of you crazy. Let this woman live.

Honey, what you don't get is that she doesn't want to live - she wants an audience and applause. She is addicted to attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that Meghan attracts defenders because they sincerely believe that people criticizing her are racist or envy her marriage. I don’t get that, I myself am mixed race, and I find her husband repugnant.

I posted the Tina Brown review from her substack and some fired up stan immediately screamed that Brown always criticized MM. But that’s not true. She wrote many, many times about how MM represented a fresh perspective and how she breathed life into a dreary irrelevant institution. She was one of the most elite of her fans - she was EIC of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker. So - I mean, that just not true, and it speaks to the I don’t know what the best phrasing is, irrationality, dishonesty, immaturity, anger, of her fans here. It’s just not necessary. The link is actual show discussion, and the raves against MM’s “attackers” is not actually about the show.

I don’t like MM and have always seen her as mean and two-faced, starting from her Oprah interview. It’s a legitimate view, as is Brown’s take. It makes sense that the prerecorded “season 2” episode was lopped off in order to have something to push her jam whenever it’s released. We’ll see if Netflix makes them another massive money deal.

Right. I noticed you posted the link and were immediately drowned out and ganged up upon by the MM defenders. They dont realize that their knee jerk aggression makes MM look really bad, especially to people on the fence. It's okay to have nuanced conversations about her flaws, it's okay to not think she's perfect or so gorgeous or the best cook. It's okay to laugh about her making peanut butter sandwiches on her show. That doesnt make you some misogynistic or racist demon. They dont realize how insane they sound and it's sad

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Anonymous wrote:I think that Meghan attracts defenders because they sincerely believe that people criticizing her are racist or envy her marriage. I don’t get that, I myself am mixed race, and I find her husband repugnant.

I posted the Tina Brown review from her substack and some fired up stan immediately screamed that Brown always criticized MM. But that’s not true. She wrote many, many times about how MM represented a fresh perspective and how she breathed life into a dreary irrelevant institution. She was one of the most elite of her fans - she was EIC of Vanity Fair and The New Yorker. So - I mean, that just not true, and it speaks to the I don’t know what the best phrasing is, irrationality, dishonesty, immaturity, anger, of her fans here. It’s just not necessary. The link is actual show discussion, and the raves against MM’s “attackers” is not actually about the show.

I don’t like MM and have always seen her as mean and two-faced, starting from her Oprah interview. It’s a legitimate view, as is Brown’s take. It makes sense that the prerecorded “season 2” episode was lopped off in order to have something to push her jam whenever it’s released. We’ll see if Netflix makes them another massive money deal.

Right. I noticed you posted the link and were immediately drowned out and ganged up upon by the MM defenders. They dont realize that their knee jerk aggression makes MM look really bad, especially to people on the fence. It's okay to have nuanced conversations about her flaws, it's okay to not think she's perfect or so gorgeous or the best cook. It's okay to laugh about her making peanut butter sandwiches on her show. That doesnt make you some misogynistic or racist demon. They dont realize how insane they sound and it's sad

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Isn't her legal name Rachel Markle? Megan is her middle name. That's not really cosplaying.

The point is her legal name is not actually Sussex as was claimed in a huge moment on the show.

She didn't make any claim about her legal name, she just stated that she identifies as "Sussex" not Markle. And then provided an explanation as to why. The fact that some of you are flipping out about this says much more about you than her.

I don't even think it was a "huge moment" on the show. It was a very brief conversation. YOU have made it a huge moment because for some reason it's very important to you that Meghan be forced to use her maiden name forever even if she doesn't want to, which is deranged.

But it's not her maiden name, lol. It's her current legal name, and the name of her kids as well. They have "Markle" on their birth certificate. At no point did she ever change their name to Sussex, which would be very bizarre considering it's no one's legal name in the family.

It is definitively her maiden name. Some women keep their maiden name. It sounds like Meghan does not want to keep hers but that there may be an issue with what she changes it to because the naming conventions in her husband's family are weird.

But I don't think it would be "bizarre" in that situation to simply legally change everyone's last name to Sussex.

This is actually a relatable problem to me because I had issues with my name when I got married and it was also hard to get people to call me by my new name (hyphenated) because people are stubborn and weird. The whole thing winds up being political and annoying when, hello, it's my name and you should call me what I tell you my name is. I did ultimately change my name legally but it took a while and in the meantime, I 100% expected people to call me by my newly adopted name, not my maiden name. So I'm totally on Meghan's side here. It is not some "gotcha" that her chosen name may not be her legal name. That's paperwork. Call people what they ask to be called or GTFO.

In any case, it is her current name, and the current name of her children. There is no legal precedent for her to change her name to Sussex. Of course she could, in the same way I could march down to the courthouse and change mine to Sussex. But it would be pretty bizarre of both myself and MM to do that considering it's not our legal name in any sense.

No, it would be normal for the Duchess of Sussex to change her and her kid's legal US names to Sussex as a way to simplify their names. People often make choices like this when navigating marital name conflicts or immigration naming issues.

It would be totally deranged for you to do so, as you are not the Duchess of Sussex.

I think this is why you are so mad, actually.

Considering that Sussex is NOT a last name and the name of a geographical area, yes it would be pretty deranged. But yeah, maybe everyone should just change their name to it and we can all have a good laugh.

The point is Meghan herself claimed that her name is Sussex. But ahe apparently does not use the name legally? It is very weird. I am going to change my name to "Princess Diana" but not legally. It will just be the name I declare for myself.

The difference here is that Meghan legally owns a title, the Duchess of Sussex, and many other people who have had the titles Duke of and Duchess of have used the house name as their surname, so Meghan does as well. Whereas you are not a Princess and your name is not Diana. So what Meghan is doing is normal and in keeping with the traditions of her husband's family, whereas you calling yourself Princess Diana would be psychotic.

And again, I think that's what bothers you. Meghan is actually entitled to style herself as Meghan Sussex because she is, in fact, the Duchess of Sussex. Just as other members of that family have done for years. But you aren't entitled to do so because you aren't a Duchess. This obviously makes you very, very mad for some reason.

OK I understand being entitled to use a name. I am married and could use my husband's name, but my legal name is still my maiden name. I do nor go around correcting people and saying my husband's name is my actual name. The reason I don't do that is his name is not my actual, legal name.

So the point remains that "Sussex" is not her legal name according to any documents. Her legal name is "Markle." So she lied about her name being Sussex. The point of lying was to have a "gotcha" moment with Mindy Kaling.

Lied about her name? Are you insane? EVERYONE knows her name. Meghan Markle Sussex whatever has out white womaned (yes made this up), white women. She is able to live the most white womanly life ever, while still enjoying the benefits being a POC. It is driving some of you crazy. Let this woman live.

She said herself that Markle is no longer her name. This was from Meghan's own mouth as stated to Mindy Kaling. So why hasn't she legally changed her name? She is lying about what her actual legal name is. So why trust anything she says?

Deranged.

Why is that deranged? Just because you dont have a comeback? You sound deranged, tbh, and also like you dont have a leg to stand on and know it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

I think there is a lot more than a comfort sweatshirt that would pin someone as a grandma.

You’re hilariously fixated on this. Are you one of those people who actually reads those ads that tell you things like stop carrying around a bag at a certain age and takes them to heart?

No, just someone who has a bare minimum ability to observe fashion trends and generational tendencies. That's why it's so amusing watching you crash out- you really thought there was nothing dated about your skinny jeans and ballet boots, and cannot stand to have someone point out that your style is passe now. Are you one of those people who genuinely believed that they could pass for ten years younger?

Writing all this and accusing someone else of crashing out is insaneeeeeeeee

It's the truth! Y'all wouldn't be going on and on and on and trying to defend yourselves and arguing that chambray is still cool for pages if you werent crashing out. That's what a crash out is, my love.

No one has argued that chambray was cool! You are the only one mentioning chambray shirts!

Yes someone was mad about chambray shirts being brought up, lol. I'm sure they thought they looked *very* hip and avant garde in their chambray

It matters where you are too. Chambray is preppy, timeless California casual.

it's really not. Chambray is super dated, especially in the styles that were popular for millennials.

Jeans and button downs have been around forever. They are classic and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone feels the need to be dressed on the cusp of fashion every day. You’re ridiculous.

But if you insist, you can find a chambray button down at The Row right now for $1350.00.

DP. Thank you for defending the chambray! Obviously it can be styled to look more modern, and despite what PP said, no one on here claimed that a chambray shirt with skinny jeans/leggings was the height of current fashion. She makes stuff up. Nutty.

- millennial who will never ever toss her well made Ralph Lauren chambray button down

This. Chambray is alive and well on the Ralph Lauren website. Safe to say chambray never goes out of style.


https://www.ralphlauren.com/search?q=Chambray&br=t&fq=CatalogCode%3A%22Polo%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Pants%22%20OR%20%22Casual%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dress%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dresses%20%26%20Jumpsuits%22%20OR%20%22Blazers%22%20OR%20%22Bedding%20Collections%22

It absolutely does go out of style. Just because something is sold at Ralph Lauren hardly means it's avant garde, lmao.

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Isn't her legal name Rachel Markle? Megan is her middle name. That's not really cosplaying.

The point is her legal name is not actually Sussex as was claimed in a huge moment on the show.

She didn't make any claim about her legal name, she just stated that she identifies as "Sussex" not Markle. And then provided an explanation as to why. The fact that some of you are flipping out about this says much more about you than her.

I don't even think it was a "huge moment" on the show. It was a very brief conversation. YOU have made it a huge moment because for some reason it's very important to you that Meghan be forced to use her maiden name forever even if she doesn't want to, which is deranged.

But it's not her maiden name, lol. It's her current legal name, and the name of her kids as well. They have "Markle" on their birth certificate. At no point did she ever change their name to Sussex, which would be very bizarre considering it's no one's legal name in the family.

It is definitively her maiden name. Some women keep their maiden name. It sounds like Meghan does not want to keep hers but that there may be an issue with what she changes it to because the naming conventions in her husband's family are weird.

But I don't think it would be "bizarre" in that situation to simply legally change everyone's last name to Sussex.

This is actually a relatable problem to me because I had issues with my name when I got married and it was also hard to get people to call me by my new name (hyphenated) because people are stubborn and weird. The whole thing winds up being political and annoying when, hello, it's my name and you should call me what I tell you my name is. I did ultimately change my name legally but it took a while and in the meantime, I 100% expected people to call me by my newly adopted name, not my maiden name. So I'm totally on Meghan's side here. It is not some "gotcha" that her chosen name may not be her legal name. That's paperwork. Call people what they ask to be called or GTFO.

In any case, it is her current name, and the current name of her children. There is no legal precedent for her to change her name to Sussex. Of course she could, in the same way I could march down to the courthouse and change mine to Sussex. But it would be pretty bizarre of both myself and MM to do that considering it's not our legal name in any sense.

No, it would be normal for the Duchess of Sussex to change her and her kid's legal US names to Sussex as a way to simplify their names. People often make choices like this when navigating marital name conflicts or immigration naming issues.

It would be totally deranged for you to do so, as you are not the Duchess of Sussex.

I think this is why you are so mad, actually.

Considering that Sussex is NOT a last name and the name of a geographical area, yes it would be pretty deranged. But yeah, maybe everyone should just change their name to it and we can all have a good laugh.

The point is Meghan herself claimed that her name is Sussex. But ahe apparently does not use the name legally? It is very weird. I am going to change my name to "Princess Diana" but not legally. It will just be the name I declare for myself.

She’s totally deluded because they’re surrounded by yes men and yes women toadies on their payroll and other moochers and users exploiting them to further tarnish the royal family. Her and Harry are too damn dumb to realize what a bottom rung joke they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

I think there is a lot more than a comfort sweatshirt that would pin someone as a grandma.

You’re hilariously fixated on this. Are you one of those people who actually reads those ads that tell you things like stop carrying around a bag at a certain age and takes them to heart?

No, just someone who has a bare minimum ability to observe fashion trends and generational tendencies. That's why it's so amusing watching you crash out- you really thought there was nothing dated about your skinny jeans and ballet boots, and cannot stand to have someone point out that your style is passe now. Are you one of those people who genuinely believed that they could pass for ten years younger?

Writing all this and accusing someone else of crashing out is insaneeeeeeeee

It's the truth! Y'all wouldn't be going on and on and on and trying to defend yourselves and arguing that chambray is still cool for pages if you werent crashing out. That's what a crash out is, my love.

No one has argued that chambray was cool! You are the only one mentioning chambray shirts!

Yes someone was mad about chambray shirts being brought up, lol. I'm sure they thought they looked *very* hip and avant garde in their chambray

It matters where you are too. Chambray is preppy, timeless California casual.

it's really not. Chambray is super dated, especially in the styles that were popular for millennials.

Jeans and button downs have been around forever. They are classic and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone feels the need to be dressed on the cusp of fashion every day. You’re ridiculous.

But if you insist, you can find a chambray button down at The Row right now for $1350.00.

DP. Thank you for defending the chambray! Obviously it can be styled to look more modern, and despite what PP said, no one on here claimed that a chambray shirt with skinny jeans/leggings was the height of current fashion. She makes stuff up. Nutty.

- millennial who will never ever toss her well made Ralph Lauren chambray button down

This. Chambray is alive and well on the Ralph Lauren website. Safe to say chambray never goes out of style.


https://www.ralphlauren.com/search?q=Chambray&br=t&fq=CatalogCode%3A%22Polo%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Pants%22%20OR%20%22Casual%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dress%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dresses%20%26%20Jumpsuits%22%20OR%20%22Blazers%22%20OR%20%22Bedding%20Collections%22

It absolutely does go out of style. Just because something is sold at Ralph Lauren hardly means it's avant garde, lmao.

lol, right? Ralph Lifshitz is 85 years old and most of his brand is outlet store garbage at this point.

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I've been critical of Meghan elsewhere and I think her show is mediocre, but I'm defending her on the name thing because as a general principle, I think people should be allowed to tell others what the prefer to be called. I don't think you should have to "prove" it's your legal name with an ID. There are many situations where someone might choose to go by a name different than the one on their ID or their birth certificate, and I think we should normalize this as being fine. Examples include:

- Trans people in the middle of transition who have chosen a new name but not legally changed it yet
- Women (or men) who may change their names legally when married in order to share a family name but choose to use their old name professionally because they are established as that name
- People who have experienced stalking or similar issues and may use an alias for safety reasons
- People who experienced childhood abuse or DV who may choose to go by a different name to avoid the association with their abuser (even before or in lieu of changing it legally)

And so on. I'm kind of horrified by the comments on here that are like "it's not on her driver's license! she's lying! we demand justice!" Because the same could be said of any of the situations I just outlined.

My rule is that I call people what they want to be called. You want to go by a nickname, okay. You want me to start calling you by your maiden name again post-divorce? No problem, I am not requesting paperwork. Meghan has stated that she wants to go by Sussex and that this is what she wants her children to be called. It's even an accepted naming convention within her husband's family, so it's not out of left field or totally unreasonable. She's not asking to be called Princess Consuela Banana-Hammock.

I think some of you are blinded by your dislike of her and being unreasonable, but consider that there are other people you don't hate who would like the same grace extended regarding what they'd like to be called and that the things you are saying here undermine their efforts to choose what they want to be called.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

I think there is a lot more than a comfort sweatshirt that would pin someone as a grandma.

You’re hilariously fixated on this. Are you one of those people who actually reads those ads that tell you things like stop carrying around a bag at a certain age and takes them to heart?

No, just someone who has a bare minimum ability to observe fashion trends and generational tendencies. That's why it's so amusing watching you crash out- you really thought there was nothing dated about your skinny jeans and ballet boots, and cannot stand to have someone point out that your style is passe now. Are you one of those people who genuinely believed that they could pass for ten years younger?

Writing all this and accusing someone else of crashing out is insaneeeeeeeee

It's the truth! Y'all wouldn't be going on and on and on and trying to defend yourselves and arguing that chambray is still cool for pages if you werent crashing out. That's what a crash out is, my love.

No one has argued that chambray was cool! You are the only one mentioning chambray shirts!

Yes someone was mad about chambray shirts being brought up, lol. I'm sure they thought they looked *very* hip and avant garde in their chambray

It matters where you are too. Chambray is preppy, timeless California casual.

it's really not. Chambray is super dated, especially in the styles that were popular for millennials.

Jeans and button downs have been around forever. They are classic and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone feels the need to be dressed on the cusp of fashion every day. You’re ridiculous.

But if you insist, you can find a chambray button down at The Row right now for $1350.00.

DP. Thank you for defending the chambray! Obviously it can be styled to look more modern, and despite what PP said, no one on here claimed that a chambray shirt with skinny jeans/leggings was the height of current fashion. She makes stuff up. Nutty.

- millennial who will never ever toss her well made Ralph Lauren chambray button down

This. Chambray is alive and well on the Ralph Lauren website. Safe to say chambray never goes out of style.


https://www.ralphlauren.com/search?q=Chambray&br=t&fq=CatalogCode%3A%22Polo%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Pants%22%20OR%20%22Casual%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dress%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dresses%20%26%20Jumpsuits%22%20OR%20%22Blazers%22%20OR%20%22Bedding%20Collections%22

It absolutely does go out of style. Just because something is sold at Ralph Lauren hardly means it's avant garde, lmao.

lol, right? Ralph Lifshitz is 85 years old and most of his brand is outlet store garbage at this point.

DP. uh, you know we can tell it’s you again, right?

And again, you make up arguments that no one ever made. No one ever said chambray was avant garde. We said it was classic and will always be fashionable, albeit not necessarily trendy (although it certainly will likely come back as trendy again). RL is a fashion icon and always will be, even if his co sells lower cost goods.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

I think there is a lot more than a comfort sweatshirt that would pin someone as a grandma.

You’re hilariously fixated on this. Are you one of those people who actually reads those ads that tell you things like stop carrying around a bag at a certain age and takes them to heart?

No, just someone who has a bare minimum ability to observe fashion trends and generational tendencies. That's why it's so amusing watching you crash out- you really thought there was nothing dated about your skinny jeans and ballet boots, and cannot stand to have someone point out that your style is passe now. Are you one of those people who genuinely believed that they could pass for ten years younger?

Writing all this and accusing someone else of crashing out is insaneeeeeeeee

It's the truth! Y'all wouldn't be going on and on and on and trying to defend yourselves and arguing that chambray is still cool for pages if you werent crashing out. That's what a crash out is, my love.

No one has argued that chambray was cool! You are the only one mentioning chambray shirts!

Yes someone was mad about chambray shirts being brought up, lol. I'm sure they thought they looked *very* hip and avant garde in their chambray

It matters where you are too. Chambray is preppy, timeless California casual.

it's really not. Chambray is super dated, especially in the styles that were popular for millennials.

Jeans and button downs have been around forever. They are classic and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone feels the need to be dressed on the cusp of fashion every day. You’re ridiculous.

But if you insist, you can find a chambray button down at The Row right now for $1350.00.

DP. Thank you for defending the chambray! Obviously it can be styled to look more modern, and despite what PP said, no one on here claimed that a chambray shirt with skinny jeans/leggings was the height of current fashion. She makes stuff up. Nutty.

- millennial who will never ever toss her well made Ralph Lauren chambray button down

This. Chambray is alive and well on the Ralph Lauren website. Safe to say chambray never goes out of style.


https://www.ralphlauren.com/search?q=Chambray&br=t&fq=CatalogCode%3A%22Polo%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Pants%22%20OR%20%22Casual%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dress%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dresses%20%26%20Jumpsuits%22%20OR%20%22Blazers%22%20OR%20%22Bedding%20Collections%22

It absolutely does go out of style. Just because something is sold at Ralph Lauren hardly means it's avant garde, lmao.

The Row is also selling them. But you self-prou fashion people need to stop using trendy, outdated, and avante guard interchangeably. You are exposing yourself as trolls. Not only do you keep moving the goal post, you sound completely insincere when you expect someone making candles in their craft cottage to be dressed in avant guarded fashion.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else find Meghan’s aesthetic incredibly dated? Maybe because I spend time on TikTok and gen Zs are always making fun of millennial beige and the kind of twee “bundles of flowers in mason jars” look that was big in the 2010s. But I just kept thinking the whole thing was such a blast from the past- from the overly curated, instagram perfect styling to the empty platitudes about “we all can come together with love” or “wine night!”… it really seemed like something straight out of 2016. As a fellow millennial close in age to Meghan it was actually kind of depressing

The beige thing goes way back to her influence by Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who died in a plane crash with JFk Jr in 1998. Bessette Kennedy was known for wearing Calvin Klein inspired outfits in beige and black Her style was very influential . There are photos of Meghan doing exact copies of the outfits.

Sure, but "sad beige" is also a trend, or has been throughout the 2010s before Gen Zs started clowning on it. https://www.today.com/parents/family/sad-beige-rcna65116

It has been a hallmark of elder millennial style, the pared down, all white/brown/beige monochromatic thing, matching the similar all white/brown/beige kitchen. And what once seemed kind of chic, new and fresh, now looks incredibly dated and like a throwback to the mid 2010s, which was Meghan's heyday. Anyone who stays on top of trends knows that this kind of thing looks very out of date now and Gen Zs are always making fun of these stylistic choices. And for good reason- once you kind of pan out you realize how kind of ridiculous and overly stylized/ self conscious it often looks.

I don't personally think her style is dated. It reads more quiet luxury than sad beige.

With that being said, as a fellow millennial, I can appreciate Meghan sticking to her style rather than changing. As you get older you kind of learn what works for you and gain confidence to avoid overhauling your style every time trends change. She's in ankle jeans and a button down, it's not like she's in a J. Crew bubble necklace or something extremely dated.

I also do think this is one of those areas where she would never win and if she tried something excessively trendy she'd be made fun of for trying too hard.

It is very dated though, and you being a millennial may blind you to that fact since it's a style you still enjoy. In the way that plenty of boomers will still walk around thinking their outfits from the 80s or 90s are really cool, when it dates them and gives away their "era".

Nothing wrong with having a personal style. But you can still update things, keep them fresh, and move with the times- or hire people to style you if you cant figure it out yourself. ESPECIALLY if youre going to position yourself as some kind of leader in the aspirational lifestyle industry. Most people dont want to be walking around wearing a style that is a good decade or so passe.

Please give detailed examples of how to “update” and “freshen” the aesthetic of the show. I would love to hear what is considered updated.

The show to me reads as blandly pleasant. It’s the entire curated concept of a lifestyle show that seems dated more so than the details like clothing.

Seriously. I don't understand how straight cut jeans and a button down are "dated." She just dresses like a normal rich mom, which she is. It's millennial because millennials are moms now.

LOL. That's because you are a millennial! Dont you get that? In the same way a boomer isnt going to understand how their look is dated either. There are plenty of hip looking rich moms, not everyone is wearing what was en vogue in 2015.

OK, but I see Gen Z in the Metro wearing pants cuts and sweater styles that my mom wore in 1985. It absolutely floors me. It legitimately looks like they took one of my mom's outfits from the Sears Cheryl Tiegs catalogue.

I'm sure our resident Stacy London here will have an explanation shortly about how that's chic but Meghan's Cartier watch screams nouveau riche and millennial or some shit, idk.

Stacy London? Damn. Talk about dated references... you must be over 40.

DP Are you experiencing a midlife crisis? What is with the hyper fixation on things being dated?

I missed the memo where you can't even make an older reference lol.

I'm not, but you appear to be going through one whenever anyone points out (rightfully) that your clothing and references are dated. What's wrong with that? You're allowed to proudly walk around in your millennial page and have everyone able to pin your age, in the same way a 65 year old woman can waltz around in their QVC comfort sweatshirt and not be surprised that people pin her for being a grandma. You speak and dress with a very distinctive time/era/middle aged vibe. What's the issue?

I think there is a lot more than a comfort sweatshirt that would pin someone as a grandma.

You’re hilariously fixated on this. Are you one of those people who actually reads those ads that tell you things like stop carrying around a bag at a certain age and takes them to heart?

No, just someone who has a bare minimum ability to observe fashion trends and generational tendencies. That's why it's so amusing watching you crash out- you really thought there was nothing dated about your skinny jeans and ballet boots, and cannot stand to have someone point out that your style is passe now. Are you one of those people who genuinely believed that they could pass for ten years younger?

Writing all this and accusing someone else of crashing out is insaneeeeeeeee

It's the truth! Y'all wouldn't be going on and on and on and trying to defend yourselves and arguing that chambray is still cool for pages if you werent crashing out. That's what a crash out is, my love.

No one has argued that chambray was cool! You are the only one mentioning chambray shirts!

Yes someone was mad about chambray shirts being brought up, lol. I'm sure they thought they looked *very* hip and avant garde in their chambray

It matters where you are too. Chambray is preppy, timeless California casual.

it's really not. Chambray is super dated, especially in the styles that were popular for millennials.

Jeans and button downs have been around forever. They are classic and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not everyone feels the need to be dressed on the cusp of fashion every day. You’re ridiculous.

But if you insist, you can find a chambray button down at The Row right now for $1350.00.

DP. Thank you for defending the chambray! Obviously it can be styled to look more modern, and despite what PP said, no one on here claimed that a chambray shirt with skinny jeans/leggings was the height of current fashion. She makes stuff up. Nutty.

- millennial who will never ever toss her well made Ralph Lauren chambray button down

This. Chambray is alive and well on the Ralph Lauren website. Safe to say chambray never goes out of style.


https://www.ralphlauren.com/search?q=Chambray&br=t&fq=CatalogCode%3A%22Polo%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Pants%22%20OR%20%22Casual%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dress%20Shirts%22%20OR%20%22Dresses%20%26%20Jumpsuits%22%20OR%20%22Blazers%22%20OR%20%22Bedding%20Collections%22

It absolutely does go out of style. Just because something is sold at Ralph Lauren hardly means it's avant garde, lmao.

Again, fashion and trendy are not always the same

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Harry and Meghan are lucky to be free from their dysfunctional families and wish them all the best. They seem like good people and they’ve been through some hard times. I like that they take care of each other and are prioritizing normalcy, even if it is the rich California kind that I can’t personally relate to.