She picked Tim

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Yes, we are. You just call it Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the GI Bill and pretty much everything the military receives in terms of housing, the ACA, minimum wage laws, maximum hours, child labor laws, subsidizing higher education/home ownership, FEMA, section 8 housing, subsidies for energy companies and agriculture.

Military members receive a compensation and benefits package for their service. That’s not socialism.

The entire idea of our military embraces core socialist principles of providing for the collective good and ensuring that basic needs are met through government support.

Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Socialism does not mean wealth distribution, it means that production and the associated benefits are controlled by the labor, whether it be by public ownership, collective ownership, etc.

That military has a strict hierarchy. It's controlled by one person, the Commander in Chief and then by a small group of military leaders that function as administrators. It's not controlled by any collective. The "public" has some say through voting, but does not ever vote directly on military decision-making, which means it doesn't qualify as "control."

It's not a entity that undergoes "production". Socialism is an economic theory, but the military is a national defense unit. There are certainly economic consequences, but you don't have a profit motive or "customers" in the traditional sense, so your analysis is incorrect.

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He's a good pick in that he's relatable and it seems to come naturally to him.

He's a good pick in that he doesn't cause harm.
He doesn't bring any new issues to the ticket
The border was going to be an issue. Trans rights were always going to be an issue. The economy was always going to be an issue. Fortunately neither Trump or Vance are great at messaging. So they likely won't be able to do much damage there.
He's a good pick in that he's not going to cause her to loose voters.
I don't think he's going to bring in new votes either. The same people who are going to vote for Harris will still vote for her.

They didn't fumble, which I'm glad of
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Now it depends on messaging.
Who has the most effective adds.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow he will need to come clean about his lies of the dwi

Meh. Old news. It came out when he ran for congress? When he ran for governor etc

And about 80 pages ago on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

DP. No. Walz may be a nice person, but he is not middle-of-the-road/moderate. Please stop pretending otherwise.

How do you think he won from a Trump +16 district?

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Very interesting. I can’t wait to hear what the ahole who couldn’t stop criticizing Vance’s military service has to say about this. If I recall, that troll insisted that Vance only served as a resume builder and never saw combat. Looks like that describes Walz exactly. So we’re applying those same “standards” to Walz, right?

Sure. If someone says that Walz served "nobly," I'm going to want evidence that he did something noble. Merely doing your time in the military doesn't rise to that level. No shame - often enough, your period or mode of service doesn't give you much of an opportunity to do much more than your job. But people shouldn't oversell military service as more than what it is.

At least he and Vance served.

What is Trump's excuse?

And Kamala’s

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Anonymous wrote:Wow he will need to come clean about his lies of the dwi

30 years ago. Yawn.

How about those 34 felonies from like 2 months ago for the other guy?

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Anonymous wrote:Socialists love Kamala’s VP Pick, YOU GO GIRL!

Please learn the difference between socialism and democratic socialists. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Walz admits he’s a socialist and had socialist values. We are not a socialist country.

Yes, we are. You just call it Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the GI Bill and pretty much everything the military receives in terms of housing, the ACA, minimum wage laws, maximum hours, child labor laws, subsidizing higher education/home ownership, FEMA, section 8 housing, subsidies for energy companies and agriculture.

Military members receive a compensation and benefits package for their service. That’s not socialism.

According to the GOP, anything having to do with the government is socialism.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he campaigns with his glasses on. He looks weird without them. With them on, he looks like he could be the brother of Steve Martin. He looks more presidential and I take him more seriously with the glasses on.

The question I ask myself, is if God forbid something were to happen to our dear Kamala, would this man make a great POTUS? He has to convince the American people that he would.

Coach President!

Yes, please.

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Anonymous wrote:If there was any question about the far left controlling a Kamala Harris White House, she just erased any doubt with this choice.

There is no doubt she will be controlled by the far left.

This. Feeling politically homeless right now. I can’t bring myself to vote for either extreme so will probably sit this one out.

I don't believe you are what you say you are. But, even if you view this as a "lesser evil" situation (it's not, Harris/Walz is a good option); but even if you viewed it as a "lesser evil" situation, the moral thing to do is to vote in a way that helps protect your friends and neighbors from the greater evil.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
- Rush

I will only vote for RFK, Jr. if he makes it. If not, I will write in his name.

Wow, brain worms to brain tumor, you like your simpletons.

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Anonymous wrote:Walz's "that is if he's willing to get off the couch... you see what I did there?" line was gold. He may have remarkable appeal to the youngins.

Maybe. But for this Gen X mom, I take a couple points of his performance for that aside. "You see what I did there?" He should have delivered the line totally straight.

I thought it played more like a Dad joke that way.

Really? I was more disappointed by his “joke”. I was hoping for an elevation in the rhetoric, not a dumbing down.

The Vice-Presdiential nominee is always the pitbull

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

DP. No. Walz may be a nice person, but he is not middle-of-the-road/moderate. Please stop pretending otherwise.

Facts suggest otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Maga is in panic

Full blown. It's all trans in bathrooms and George Floyd/riots! That's all they got. Wait until they start hearing him speak! This is going to be delicious.

The riots and overall breakdown of law and order in our cities is where the Democrats are most vulnerable. Expect to hear about Kamala’s San Francisco and Tim’s Minneapolis nonstop for the next three months.

Did January 6th not happen? I don't understand how GOP are so concerned about some riots and not others. It's weird.

Bingo

All riots should be equally disdained regardless of the issue behind it because more often than not it's some nut job extremist thugs who don't actually care about the issue behind it....but as such should also be equally prosecuted and equally thought of as wrong regardless of the issue. It's never ok to destroy property regardless of the issue or topic period.

I agree. I read an article about The riots in MN and poor reaction time. Walz was very honest about it all and how it was not handled well. Now contrast that with Trump who still thinks January 6th was a good thing.

True - but I also know many Dems who think the BLM riots were a good thing too.

Dems supported the peaceful protests and criticized where the looting and property damage took place.

Well I'll rephrase,"I have personally spoken to more than one Dem who feels the looting and property damage was justified". But we are going off-topic now. Back to Tim Walz....honestly...I don't care how he reacted to the BLM riots because it was an extremely difficult time. I also don't care about anything he did or didn't do 20 yrs ago. I do care about his political views and social ideology which are too progressive for my taste. Not saying it's going to make me vote for Trump but I am now strongly considering staying home...and this is coming from someone who was pushing their DD to go out and vote because of the importance of voting - DD doesn't care to vote this year either. I can see her point of view.

What ideology do you find too progressive?

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Education: In favor of reduced/free college education for the trades -- in fact...take some of the illegal immigrants who have been here for over 10-15+ yrs (because realistically you can't deport them all) and educate them in the trades. Fix our education system and stop focusing on stupid issues that don't belong in schools. Teach tolerance and respect as a two-way street. Note: I actually like how Walz has approached education in MN -- except for teaching gender ideology in schools. Many parents voice their concerns: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/minnesota-parents-clash-over-teachers-discussing-gender-identity-with-students-stay-in-your-lane-osseo-area-schools-isd-279-lgbtqia-history-and-culture-resolution-lgbt-transgender and […]

You cite a ton of right wing talking points and misrepresentations (no one takes you seriously when your argument is a strawman), but I think you should have read the article you posted before spouting off about “teaching gender ideology” and from a “news” outlet in Austin, TX owned by Sinclair. But even they were able to sneak in the fact that it’s not teaching gender ideology but respecting all students, including the ones who were being bullied for being gay. So you want gay kids to get bullied? That’s essentially what you said.

And to try to pull some grapes out of your cornucopia of misled: that was an Osseo, MN policy, not a state wide one. Good lord. You are bad at this, “independent.”

This was just one point in response to someone who asked "What ideology do you find too progressive?" And I stand by my post - this is one area that I find too progressive/liberal. But I am also pro-LGBTQ rights -- it's something the progressive/liberal left can't seem to comprehend which is so frustrating -- you can support LGBTQ rights but also disagree with certain specific issues. The all-or-nothing attitude of the left is tiresome. Just as tiresome as the all-or-nothing attitude of the right when it comes to abortion. Same thing.

DP. Well said. This is how I feel, too. So sick of the extremes.

The forgotten middle.
The middle children of the country if you will.

Well said indeed.

Well, Harris acknowledges you with this pick.

No she didn't.
I'm still likely to vote for her given I can't tolerate Trump.
But I will also likely to vote more right leaning down ballot to keep things somewhat balanced.

The Democrats have bent over backwards to be right leaning (Biden, Clinton, Kaine, Lieberman, Gore, Obama, Kerry… these are not far left people); the same is never asked of the GOP. Not ever. Voters like you never ask that the GOP move left. You should ask yourself why you don’t think they should moderate.

I have in my lifetime voted for both Democrats and Republicans.
I vote for who at the time I feel is best for the country overall, best represents the views of the country and best reflects my personal views.

I think both parties are invested in playing to the extremes and not really listening to what people actually want.

+100
Absolutely agree. I would happily vote for a Bill Clinton today.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:He's a good pick in that he's relatable and it seems to come naturally to him.

He's a good pick in that he doesn't cause harm.
He doesn't bring any new issues to the ticket
The border was going to be an issue. Trans rights were always going to be an issue. The economy was always going to be an issue. Fortunately neither Trump or Vance are great at messaging. So they likely won't be able to do much damage there.
He's a good pick in that he's not going to cause her to loose voters.
I don't think he's going to bring in new votes either. The same people who are going to vote for Harris will still vote for her.

They didn't fumble, which I'm glad of
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Now it depends on messaging.
Who has the most effective adds.

I think he will help shore up white suburban voters and perhaps even rural white voters, particularly in Nebraska.

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Not after they learn about his record.

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Republicans are desperate to paint Walz as a far leftist. But they’re failing because it’s absurd. The Trump campaign must be freaking out. They’re running a convicted felon and a techbro elite. Talk about out of touch!