US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

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Anonymous wrote:Now let’s eliminate preferences for Athletics, Legacy, Development, Faculty and Staff Children, Children of prominent people. If any of these is used in admissions, it will be in violation of the constitution in terms of equal treatment for all. If Harvard will want to discriminate applicants based on whether or not they fall in one or more of these categories, then stop allocating State and Federal funding for research to Harvard.

Gender is allowed and doesn’t allow it. Plus it is ok for the military.

I don’t think you understand the constitutional arguments here. The constitution prohibits discrimination based on race, it doesn’t prohibit discrimination based on wealth, athletic ability, connections, etc . . .

I don’t agree with the decision but it doesn’t help the cause to be making nonsensical arguments.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Sadly, this is not true. My tween recognized racism while we're were at our vacation home which is in a MAGA area. I was a part of a lawsuit based on unfair financial discrimination only because I am Black. My brother and husband have been pulled over and harassed for driving expensive vehicles. We have plenty of experiences to share and write about and our essay coaches will make sure they are well written.

A Black family that can afford a vacation home asking for special treatment over Asian families that don't even own a primary home! Interesting.. I get the racism part but that shouldn't be offset by priority over others for college admission.

Stats are aligned with income both families are likely to be UMC+

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

What if your kid gets a less than stellar teacher? A tutor can step in for that situation. No kid should be left to totally teach themselves, especially subjects that are more abstract and require critical thinking. If a tutor helps a kids learn something better than the teacher taught it and better than a kdi can self-teach, why not? Why not learn as much as you can. Isn't that the goal?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Yes, look at the kids at the hood.
Free as birds.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

What if your kid gets a less than stellar teacher? A tutor can step in for that situation. No kid should be left to totally teach themselves, especially subjects that are more abstract and require critical thinking. If a tutor helps a kids learn something better than the teacher taught it and better than a kdi can self-teach, why not? Why not learn as much as you can. Isn't that the goal?

Being tutored because you determine that your child’s teacher is ‘less than stellar’ is, I don’t know, privileged? It’s a mindset I am unfamiliar with. It’s the new parenting micromanaging model. People just never used to do this, just because they thought they needed to learn in a ‘better’ way than than the school could provide, just admit it’s to get a leg up. I always thought tutors were mainly used for learning disabled kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

Khan Academy is free and some use it with success. For others, it isn't enough. There is no such thing as equal prep.

Therefore, Khan doesn’t work for most. The test prep is a lucrative joke. It’s a game. You’ve succeeded at the game, slow clap… The entire college admissions process, from ALDCs to the so called ‘geniuses’ is corrupt as far as I’m concerned. I am too stubborn to play this game. A tutor is totally unnecessary for a kid without any learning disabilities etc. i just cannot wrap my head around it. Can’t the students just figure it out on their own?

Yes, remove GPA.
people' hire tutors to increase GPA and take higer math

Why don’t you stop micromanaging your children and let them figure it out? If they aren’t learning disabled they should be able to do it. It’s like those people taking Ozempic who aren’t diabetic. Leave the tutors for the kids who actually need them and let the professionals determine if your kid needs special help.

Yes remove SAT, GPA, and essays.
People also hire consultants for essays.
We should go with lottery.

No, just allow the student to figure out how to succeed on their own. No need for extra help unless the child is learning disabled.

Why are you obsessed with other people?
You do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

Because it’s a completely unfamiliar mindset. I didn’t grow up this way. My parents didn’t even know my SAT scores or GPA. It’s just eye opening to see how so engrossed some parents are. It’s an obsession.

We have all kinds of different people in this country. Some people can pay 20mil 30mil and get in.

Again, you do what's best for your kids and what makes sense for your family

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The Supreme Court decision is opening the way to support the truly disadvantaged students.

Otherwise you end up with solidly upper middle class kids that claim they did overcome formidable obstacles when in fact they had a life equally as pampered as the rest of the kids in their upper class neighborhood.

Admission officers can make a more nuanced judgement, race won’t equal adversity by default. But that doesn’t mean it is completely out, it just depends on particular circumstances. As it should be.