DCPS students shafted again - sign petition to keep Jelleff field public

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow!
Those Market parents won't quit.
I heard that they were paying for a data firm to analyze this thread to identify the authors of these posts!
Have they no shame?!?!

Seriously? Offer some insight, please. So Maret is partnering up with the Russians now? I really hope for Maret’s sake there is no truth to this claim about hiring data analysts.

This is generally not a particularly hard thing to try and assess, and I"m sure someone at Maret has access to people/firms that can do this, but whether it will be successful will depend in part on how Jeff has the site configured.

Someplace in Bethesda is all I heard.
Can't even keep this money in DC.
My source is very wary of saying too much.
Apparently not every parent/alum is on board with this land grab...

No f-ing way. Only if they got logs from the server could they tie IP addresses. Only way to get that is if Jeff gave them the logs. And all you get with IP addresses is mostly Comcast/Verizon/RCN IPs, and the only way to tie those to individuals is with a subpoena.

I guess you could look at wording style to possibly connect different posts to see if there are a few posters who post multiple times. But what does that get you? Also, most of it would be real guesswork because most posts are so short and don't show a discernible style.

The tin-foil hat levels of paranoia and conspiracy theories on this thread are impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow!
Those Market parents won't quit.
I heard that they were paying for a data firm to analyze this thread to identify the authors of these posts!
Have they no shame?!?!

Seriously? Offer some insight, please. So Maret is partnering up with the Russians now? I really hope for Maret’s sake there is no truth to this claim about hiring data analysts.

This is generally not a particularly hard thing to try and assess, and I"m sure someone at Maret has access to people/firms that can do this, but whether it will be successful will depend in part on how Jeff has the site configured.

Someplace in Bethesda is all I heard.
Can't even keep this money in DC.
My source is very wary of saying too much.
Apparently not every parent/alum is on board with this land grab...

No f-ing way. Only if they got logs from the server could they tie IP addresses. Only way to get that is if Jeff gave them the logs. And all you get with IP addresses is mostly Comcast/Verizon/RCN IPs, and the only way to tie those to individuals is with a subpoena.

I guess you could look at wording style to possibly connect different posts to see if there are a few posters who post multiple times. But what does that get you? Also, most of it would be real guesswork because most posts are so short and don't show a discernible style.

This chain sounds like BS trolling to me. Nobody has THAT much time on their hands. Who cares who is posting here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow!
Those Market parents won't quit.
I heard that they were paying for a data firm to analyze this thread to identify the authors of these posts!
Have they no shame?!?!

Seriously? Offer some insight, please. So Maret is partnering up with the Russians now? I really hope for Maret’s sake there is no truth to this claim about hiring data analysts.

This is generally not a particularly hard thing to try and assess, and I"m sure someone at Maret has access to people/firms that can do this, but whether it will be successful will depend in part on how Jeff has the site configured.

Someplace in Bethesda is all I heard.
Can't even keep this money in DC.
My source is very wary of saying too much.
Apparently not every parent/alum is on board with this land grab...

No f-ing way. Only if they got logs from the server could they tie IP addresses. Only way to get that is if Jeff gave them the logs. And all you get with IP addresses is mostly Comcast/Verizon/RCN IPs, and the only way to tie those to individuals is with a subpoena.

I guess you could look at wording style to possibly connect different posts to see if there are a few posters who post multiple times. But what does that get you? Also, most of it would be real guesswork because most posts are so short and don't show a discernible style.

The tin-foil hat levels of paranoia and conspiracy theories on this thread are impressive.

Not worse than the Maret folks, who apparently are convinced than there is an organized smear campaign against them. (They are the ones who are actually organized!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow!
Those Market parents won't quit.
I heard that they were paying for a data firm to analyze this thread to identify the authors of these posts!
Have they no shame?!?!

Seriously? Offer some insight, please. So Maret is partnering up with the Russians now? I really hope for Maret’s sake there is no truth to this claim about hiring data analysts.

This is generally not a particularly hard thing to try and assess, and I"m sure someone at Maret has access to people/firms that can do this, but whether it will be successful will depend in part on how Jeff has the site configured.

Someplace in Bethesda is all I heard.
Can't even keep this money in DC.
My source is very wary of saying too much.
Apparently not every parent/alum is on board with this land grab...

No f-ing way. Only if they got logs from the server could they tie IP addresses. Only way to get that is if Jeff gave them the logs. And all you get with IP addresses is mostly Comcast/Verizon/RCN IPs, and the only way to tie those to individuals is with a subpoena.

I guess you could look at wording style to possibly connect different posts to see if there are a few posters who post multiple times. But what does that get you? Also, most of it would be real guesswork because most posts are so short and don't show a discernible style.

The tin-foil hat levels of paranoia and conspiracy theories on this thread are impressive.

Not worse than the Maret folks, who apparently are convinced than there is an organized smear campaign against them. (They are the ones who are actually organized!)

There is enough general outrage that it looks organized. Nope, just everyone who doesn’t have a connection to Maret thinks it’s outrageous!

[Anonymous]

McKenna destroys Maret again. Love it.

https://deadspin.com/private-school-that-pocketed-public-rec-center-is-tired-1839260457

[Anonymous]

It’s about equity and justice for Hardy families, not just for the select privileged elite few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McKenna destroys Maret again. Love it.

https://deadspin.com/private-school-that-pocketed-public-rec-center-is-tired-1839260457

Fantastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s about equity and justice for Hardy families, not just for the select privileged elite few.

But, but, but . . I thought this wasn't about Hardy? Isn't it aboout the Boys and Girls club?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s about equity and justice for Hardy families, not just for the select privileged elite few.

But, but, but . . I thought this wasn't about Hardy? Isn't it aboout the Boys and Girls club?

But, but, but there a lot of different people posting on this thread. I have neither a kid at Hardy nor a child the goes to Jellef after school. FWIW, I think sticking a bunch of kids in a basement and hot giving them access to the field is far worse than having Hardy having access. See, everybody gets an opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went poking around on old DC OCFO stuff and - do I read it right that DC was proposing a budget of about $58 million for DPR capital improvements in FY11? https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/ocfo_fy2011_fy2016_capital_improvements_plan.pdf

This sounds like a situation where $1 million would be nice, but is nothing DC needed in order to choose between maintaining/repairing and selling off rights to a particular DPR site. In context, a deal like this sounds less about the money and more about the self-serving connections among DC's elite and the lack of mass engagement in DC politics.

The Maret spend is over nine years so it's only $100K per year. Peanuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went poking around on old DC OCFO stuff and - do I read it right that DC was proposing a budget of about $58 million for DPR capital improvements in FY11? https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/ocfo_fy2011_fy2016_capital_improvements_plan.pdf

This sounds like a situation where $1 million would be nice, but is nothing DC needed in order to choose between maintaining/repairing and selling off rights to a particular DPR site. In context, a deal like this sounds less about the money and more about the self-serving connections among DC's elite and the lack of mass engagement in DC politics.

The Maret spend is over nine years so it's only $100K per year. Peanuts.

The city owns the lands, which it bought for over $15m in 2008. It immediately gave the land to Maret in 2009 for $2.5m in capital investments in exchange for a 10 year lease of the prime time hours after school. So basically Maret paid $250K per year to rent the land, which was a waaaaaaaay below market price.

And now? Maret will “rent” the land for only $900K in capital improvements over the course of the next 9 years. Meanwhile, the value of the land is certainly worth way more than the $15m paid by the city back in 2008.

Basically, Maret is borrowing $15m of city money at a very, very low interest rate while controlling what happens to the land and who gets to use it. Nice racket, if you can get it. But it’s the epitome of the “private sector” mooching from the government thru corruption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went poking around on old DC OCFO stuff and - do I read it right that DC was proposing a budget of about $58 million for DPR capital improvements in FY11? https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/ocfo_fy2011_fy2016_capital_improvements_plan.pdf

This sounds like a situation where $1 million would be nice, but is nothing DC needed in order to choose between maintaining/repairing and selling off rights to a particular DPR site. In context, a deal like this sounds less about the money and more about the self-serving connections among DC's elite and the lack of mass engagement in DC politics.

The Maret spend is over nine years so it's only $100K per year. Peanuts.

The city owns the lands, which it bought for over $15m in 2008. It immediately gave the land to Maret in 2009 for $2.5m in capital investments in exchange for a 10 year lease of the prime time hours after school. So basically Maret paid $250K per year to rent the land, which was a waaaaaaaay below market price.

And now? Maret will “rent” the land for only $900K in capital improvements over the course of the next 9 years. Meanwhile, the value of the land is certainly worth way more than the $15m paid by the city back in 2008.

Basically, Maret is borrowing $15m of city money at a very, very low interest rate while controlling what happens to the land and who gets to use it. Nice racket, if you can get it. But it’s the epitome of the “private sector” mooching from the government thru corruption.

DPR controls permitting. Not Maret. So 32 weeks of the year, anyone can use the field through DPR permitting during the 2 hour afternoon time. And 52 weeks a year, people can request DPR permits during the other usable hours at Jelleff.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:let's see,

Hardy has soccer games, boys and girls, on Tuesday/Thursday so they those are not practice days for them. They use Deal as their home field for games currently. On Wednesdays they get Jelleff field right after school. So that leaves us with Monday and Friday to work out sharing of field -- how about Maret gets it Monday and Hardy gets it Friday. As for Hardy football, Jelleff isn't a football field and it isn't as tho Hardy is a football powerhouse so they could use Hardy field or Ellington. With a closer look at the Maret varsity soccer schedule for boys/girls, perhaps those days goto boys/girls club for outdoor after school time. And I have to say, post 5:45 at Jelleff it is Stoddert who has the field. Perhaps they could also give up time for the boys and girls club for an hour of outdoor time. It just doesn't seem that hard to work out the issues but it seems from this thread that the only thing that will satisfy the anti-Maret crowd is no time for Maret.

Alternatively, the field is free in the mornings and since dcps doesn't start til 8:45, once or twice a week a team could practice before school, particularly if proper showers are put into the new Jelleff building. I believe some Wilson teams practice before school.

Why does Maret even get a piece of the pie? They got the ten years they bargained for, the ten years are up. This is a public asset. They're a private school, the parents deliberately chose out of the public system.

If Maret had sat down with Hardy and the B&GC in August and worked out something along the lines of which is being proposed above, it wouldn't have satisfied everyone but the issue would have slowly but surely gone away. The WaPo articles wouldn't have happened and there may not have even been yesterday's hearing. Maret's crisis PR team fouled this up rather badly.

[Anonymous]

One way to resolve this is for DPR to issue an RFP request and figure out the fair market value of the afternoon time slots. It will like be a multiple of the $100K/year Maret is slated to pay in capital improvements.

Maret could then pay the fair market amount or take its balls and go back to Cathedral Ave NW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went poking around on old DC OCFO stuff and - do I read it right that DC was proposing a budget of about $58 million for DPR capital improvements in FY11? https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/ocfo_fy2011_fy2016_capital_improvements_plan.pdf

This sounds like a situation where $1 million would be nice, but is nothing DC needed in order to choose between maintaining/repairing and selling off rights to a particular DPR site. In context, a deal like this sounds less about the money and more about the self-serving connections among DC's elite and the lack of mass engagement in DC politics.

The Maret spend is over nine years so it's only $100K per year. Peanuts.

The city owns the lands, which it bought for over $15m in 2008. It immediately gave the land to Maret in 2009 for $2.5m in capital investments in exchange for a 10 year lease of the prime time hours after school. So basically Maret paid $250K per year to rent the land, which was a waaaaaaaay below market price.

And now? Maret will “rent” the land for only $900K in capital improvements over the course of the next 9 years. Meanwhile, the value of the land is certainly worth way more than the $15m paid by the city back in 2008.

Basically, Maret is borrowing $15m of city money at a very, very low interest rate while controlling what happens to the land and who gets to use it. Nice racket, if you can get it. But it’s the epitome of the “private sector” mooching from the government thru corruption.

DPR controls permitting. Not Maret. So 32 weeks of the year, anyone can use the field through DPR permitting during the 2 hour afternoon time. And 52 weeks a year, people can request DPR permits during the other usable hours at Jelleff.

*2 hours, or until their game ends, whichever is later, during the same prime times and seasons that a other school-based team
needs field space.

(the “the only 2 hours” argument is BS and is getting really old.)