To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

People may notice you didn't name even one name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

At this point it's too late. There are the technical challenges - getting on all 50 ballots, the funding, building a staff, and knowing that's its career suicide to run or be involved with a challenge to a sitting president. And there is no chance the first black woman VP gets dropped from the ticket.

It's going to be Biden-Trump redux whether people like it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

At this point it's too late. There are the technical challenges - getting on all 50 ballots, the funding, building a staff, and knowing that's its career suicide to run or be involved with a challenge to a sitting president. And there is no chance the first black woman VP gets dropped from the ticket.

It's going to be Biden-Trump redux whether people like it or not.

It would still be foolish not to have a plan. Biden could drop dead any day now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

Replacing Biden would be ideal, replacing Harris would be fine. Replacing none would be pathetic and suicidal.

Agree. The Biden campaigners and Trumpers pretending to be Biden campaigners can whine all they want to. It doesn't change the fact that people are rightfully nervous about Biden's odds against Trump in 2024. There are many voting Americans that first and foremost don't want Trump back in office. Those people aren't being unfair or disrespectful to Biden when suggesting it would be best for the country if he chose not to seek a second term. Biden is an unpopular 81 year old person that has a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. The Dem party absolutely could nominate a different candidate that would have much greater odds of beating Trump and if the DNC doesn't already have an upgrade to Biden prepped and waiting in the wings, those of us on the left need to plan for coalescing behind a new party with different leadership ahead of 2028. Our political parties are not too big to fail (though it may seem that way).

[Anonymous]

Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

OK, I played it out. Sounds like a top-down decision. We tell you and you follow.

Play this out. Is that "democratic"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

The best we can hope for is for Biden to choose himself not to run. That would spare the party some internal tension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

The best we can hope for is for Biden to choose himself not to run. That would spare the party some internal tension.

Spare the party internal tension? Are you nuts? If Biden announced tomorrow that he wasn't running, the party would be in absolute chaos for the next several months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

Replacing Biden would be ideal, replacing Harris would be fine. Replacing none would be pathetic and suicidal.

Agree. The Biden campaigners and Trumpers pretending to be Biden campaigners can whine all they want to. It doesn't change the fact that people are rightfully nervous about Biden's odds against Trump in 2024. There are many voting Americans that first and foremost don't want Trump back in office. Those people aren't being unfair or disrespectful to Biden when suggesting it would be best for the country if he chose not to seek a second term. Biden is an unpopular 81 year old person that has a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. The Dem party absolutely could nominate a different candidate that would have much greater odds of beating Trump and if the DNC doesn't already have an upgrade to Biden prepped and waiting in the wings, those of us on the left need to plan for coalescing behind a new party with different leadership ahead of 2028. Our political parties are not too big to fail (though it may seem that way).

Any of those people could have decided to run in the primary, but not a single one did. All the people calling on Biden to step aside in favor of Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, etc. are ignoring the fact that all of them have chosen not to run.

[Anonymous]

Yesterday on TV, I mistakenly used the wrong word to express the importance for America that Donald Trump doesn’t become President again.

While he must be defeated, I certainly wish no harm to him and do not condone political violence.

I apologize for the poor choice of words.
— Daniel Goldman (@danielsgoldman) November 20, 2023

https://twitter.com/danielsgoldman/status/1726595276289581288

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do we have to have a thread like this every 4 years? The options are what they are. You may not like them but you pull on your big girl/boy panties and make the best choice.

I don't care if you don't like Biden. His record is good. He is competent and surrounds himself with competent people. He is respected by our allies. Has done some good things. And, you know, hasn't denied a past election or tried to overthrow it. TRUMP SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ON THAT BASIS ALONE. And anyone who would vote for him, and potentially end our democracy and system/norms of government, is unamerican. Disgusting. And a terrible person.

End.Of.Story.

I am a democrat and have doubts he is going to be competent over the next FIVE years! He is 81 and clearly has moments that are concerning. Why must the party nominate him again? Why can’t we have someone better who will beat Trump? I cannot vote for someone who is not competent because I do not know who will be pulling the strings.

+100

This is my issue as well. I think it would be easier to do if he had developed Kamala as a VP. He doesn’t even seem like he talks to her

He should replace Kamala with someone credible and competent.

There must be at least ONE such person in the Democratic party?

There are plenty of credible and competent politicians in the Dem party and the focus should be on replacing Biden with one of them to run in 2024. Replacing a VP with someone you think may be more competent than the current VP in order to compensate for the president losing competency is not the way to go about insuring competency in the White House for the next 5 years.

Replacing Biden would be ideal, replacing Harris would be fine. Replacing none would be pathetic and suicidal.

Agree. The Biden campaigners and Trumpers pretending to be Biden campaigners can whine all they want to. It doesn't change the fact that people are rightfully nervous about Biden's odds against Trump in 2024. There are many voting Americans that first and foremost don't want Trump back in office. Those people aren't being unfair or disrespectful to Biden when suggesting it would be best for the country if he chose not to seek a second term. Biden is an unpopular 81 year old person that has a 50/50 chance of beating Trump. The Dem party absolutely could nominate a different candidate that would have much greater odds of beating Trump and if the DNC doesn't already have an upgrade to Biden prepped and waiting in the wings, those of us on the left need to plan for coalescing behind a new party with different leadership ahead of 2028. Our political parties are not too big to fail (though it may seem that way).

Any of those people could have decided to run in the primary, but not a single one did. All the people calling on Biden to step aside in favor of Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, etc. are ignoring the fact that all of them have chosen not to run.

Biden choosing to back out of the race is the only feasible scenario that leads to other big names in the party seeking the nomination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

The best we can hope for is for Biden to choose himself not to run. That would spare the party some internal tension.

Spare the party internal tension? Are you nuts? If Biden announced tomorrow that he wasn't running, the party would be in absolute chaos for the next several months.

That’s why the DNC will decide the nominee. Those editorials imploring Biden to not seek another term were written on behalf of the DNC trying to give the President an opportunity to exit on his terms with some dignity. The DNC is loyal to the party (and the country) not the President.
Biden will not be the nominee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

The best we can hope for is for Biden to choose himself not to run. That would spare the party some internal tension.

Honest to gawd, screw the party, any party. We're coming apart at the seams. You act like internal tension is a bad thing. That's actually what this country is built on. Not comfort. But a shift when things aren't working, and they aren't working.

Are you like a member of the DNC? BTW, I feel the same about the GOP. We're not meant to be ruled by party apparatchiks. That's for other countries.

"to either support Biden to save the republic" -

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who in the DNC has the gravitas to tell a sitting president not to run for re-election? Play this out. How does it work?> How does the party then choose a replacement without having internal wars and spawning "dems in disarray" headlines?

Contrast that with the GOP that has gone full MAGA and left traditional conservatives to either support Biden to save the republic or stay home.

The best we can hope for is for Biden to choose himself not to run. That would spare the party some internal tension.

Spare the party internal tension? Are you nuts? If Biden announced tomorrow that he wasn't running, the party would be in absolute chaos for the next several months.

Chaos would be if Biden made the decision to back out of the race late in the primary season instead of very soon or if he had a health event that forced him out at the last minute. Heartache and tension would also be created if Trump were forced out of the race due to legal or health problems and suddenly Biden is trailing in the polls by a seemingly insurmountable wide margin to a candidate that is more fit for office and more electable in swing states than Trump. If Biden made the decision not to run by January 2024, there would inevitably be some unsettling moments for a few months but the likely outcome would be a different nominee that becomes a heavy favorite to beat Trump.