US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Interesting chart. The US is 29th and the couple who occupy Greenland came in at #18 (congratulations to Sven & Matilda !).

Greenland population: 56,653
It has a lot of researchers, scienctists, etc.
Sample size is too small for it to be included, but no surprise there.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

Yeah, use an IQ test, I am all for that. Hard work and effort is reflected in the GPA.

And the good news is that IQ rests are free of cultural bias !

Ha! Yes I was joking, but I think an IQ score would honestly be more reliable than a paid for SAT score.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

MIT doesn't think like you.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

The more relevant point is that the colleges get to decide what they think is meritorious. And that’s as it should be if we want to continue to have the best higher education system on the planet.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

I doubt it

Let’s try and see, eliminate all extra pricey courses and see what happens.

And only take the SAT twice, that should be the limit. It’s a scam, this SAT nonsense.

And for the NFL, NBA, limit HS and college practice hours to 30 mins per day. No additional prepping cuz in this PC world, that's called "cheating." We need to level the playing field.

Nope, just eliminate the SAT, no biggie.

Ah, PP just wants everything her way. And now the SCOTUS has spoken, she wants things done "fairly." Got it.

No just eliminate SATs, SATs are an outdated means of reflecting true aptitude. If you have to pay a company that guarantees inflated scores. Just stop altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Interesting chart. The US is 29th and the couple who occupy Greenland came in at #18 (congratulations to Sven & Matilda !).

Greenland population: 56,653
It has a lot of researchers, scienctists, etc.
Sample size is too small for it to be included, but no surprise there.

Bermuda, 2022 population of 64,184--down one from 2021's 64,185 (true state--not kidding), came in at #41.

No relevance to this thread. Just wanted to talk about Bermuda for a bit. Thanks !

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

Rich white legacies, too. Asian applicants are coming to eat your lunch.

Rich, white legacies are untouchable. They are the people who got rid of AA and will protect ADLC.

Asian Americans were pawns.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

Rich white legacies, too. Asian applicants are coming to eat your lunch.

Rich, white legacies are untouchable. They are the people who got rid of AA and will protect ADLC.

Asian Americans were pawns.

Most legacies who apply to top schools are not admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges can still cover African American based on SES like "living ancestor was explicitly persecuted by law".

Preferences for Hispanics might be a harder sell, but preference for non-citizen might be acceptable?

Asians vs Whites are probably the main practical consequence of this law.

You are presuming that blacks make up the majority of the poor qualified students who will apply. The majority of the poor qualified students applying are poor whites and Asian. I believe blacks are the smallest percentage of those in programs like questbridge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges can still cover African American based on SES like "living ancestor was explicitly persecuted by law".

Preferences for Hispanics might be a harder sell, but preference for non-citizen might be acceptable?

Asians vs Whites are probably the main practical consequence of this law.

You are presuming that blacks make up the majority of the poor qualified students who will apply. The majority of the poor qualified students applying are poor whites and Asian. I believe blacks are the smallest percentage of those in programs like questbridge.

Of the questbridge finalists who are chosen based on data like test scores? No they are not the smallest percentage, but they are smaller than Asian percentages.

https://www.questbridge.org/high-school-students/national-college-match/finalist-profile

Colleges may use a different standard, or not use test scores at all, which would likely change those numbers to be more representative of the general population.

Please note that the Asian percentage of those QB finalists is lower than their representation at many ivies.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Did you check the box?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is a popular response but today’s decision has nothing to do with sex-based preferences. So eat your cookie and let the adults talk.

Why don’t people care that they take into account gender and schools give preference to balance their student body. Gender is a protected class.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess URM are going to have to actually start working now, no more free handouts

You don’t think we do? We bust our rears just to make sure people don’t assume we are not worthy. We have to jumo through many other hurdles just to even out the playing field. College admissions is just one factor in “making it” in the US.

If this is actually true then that makes the SAT gap even harder to explain.

Yes, if the black SAT scores truly reflect "busting our rears" then something is very, very wrong.

SAT scores don’t tell the whole story.

They tell a huge piece of the story, though. Anyone with a rudimentary education should be able to find the angles of a parallelogram.

Is the SAT a fair measure of aptitude if only a select group of people are able to prep, pay thousands of $$$ for prep courses that ensure a high SAT score? And still then take the SAT as many times as legally possible until they achieve the highest score. Then others, poorer kids, are unable to afford any prep, maybe a How To book or something but that’s it. They take it once, get an average score and call it a day.

However you like essays you can't even tell who actually wrote it. Rich people can hire professional writers with $$$
Oxymorons LMFAO

I’m not rich so I don’t know. I couldn’t afford a prep course or a hired writer. I know it’s hard for you to fathom. I took the SAT twice, received average scores, I’m worth more than a standardized test score, and wrote my own essay.

You can go to a good state school

If we’d stop the years of expensive prep courses, you’d be average at best.

People who care more and invset more time, money, efforts deserves more

Well, here it is. This explains a lot.

In fact, I like it very much if you are proponent of natural intelligence.
Maybe use IQ test or something.

Asians would like that very much.
https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

However, still I think hard work and effort should be valued little more.

Aaand, this poster doubles down. When someone tells you who they are…

you just want it to be pure random right?

I think it is very difficult for you to understand that tests don’t measure merit.

The best University in the World, MIT, disagrees with you.

I think MIT admissions could tease out who belongs and who doesn’t by looking at HS courses and GPA alone.

They could not tease it out which is why they went back to standardized testing. You should read the long letter they wrote when they reinstated SATs/ACT. The thing they did not mention is that the kids they let in without standardized tests could not keep up with the academics. I know someone there and some of those kids from the Covid years really struggled.

If SATs hold so much weight, we need schools to prep students similar to the lucrative prepping agencies. We need equal and affordable, or free, prepping. The profitable prepping groups need to go.

The SAT/ACT no longer holds much weight.