Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article I read said it would be a way to conduct urban warfare without impacting a lot of civilians or infrastructure. We don't know if this plan is true, or psy ops, but it is the furthest thing from chemical warfare as far as the article I went. Is a sleep agent that wears off chemical warfare? I mean, I guess I don't fully know all the rules, but why is that worse than bullets and bombs?

It’s not. The list of banned chemical weapons is specific.

Of course, if Israel does use it, I fully expect people on this thread to claim they’re committing a war crime.

They’ll just be called nazis over and over and over. Think it’s already happened!

Really clever stuff!

[Anonymous]

Gonna lean in the direction of being, er, skeptical about this article. Kinda hard, too, to gain any element of “surprise” in this campaign. That said, Israel appears to have intelligence sources on the ground, based on its neutralization of several Hamas leadership or leadership-ish figures. IDF may assume tunneled terrorists are getting fidgety about fuel and all, but I doubt that—so many years and so very much money went into these things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article I read said it would be a way to conduct urban warfare without impacting a lot of civilians or infrastructure. We don't know if this plan is true, or psy ops, but it is the furthest thing from chemical warfare as far as the article I went. Is a sleep agent that wears off chemical warfare? I mean, I guess I don't fully know all the rules, but why is that worse than bullets and bombs?

It’s not. The list of banned chemical weapons is specific.

Of course, if Israel does use it, I fully expect people on this thread to claim they’re committing a war crime.

They’ll just be called nazis over and over and over. Think it’s already happened!

Really clever stuff!

The conflation of Israel with nazism was an old Soviet trick that some on the extreme left and extreme right seem to still enjoy very much to this very day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article I read said it would be a way to conduct urban warfare without impacting a lot of civilians or infrastructure. We don't know if this plan is true, or psy ops, but it is the furthest thing from chemical warfare as far as the article I went. Is a sleep agent that wears off chemical warfare? I mean, I guess I don't fully know all the rules, but why is that worse than bullets and bombs?

It’s not. The list of banned chemical weapons is specific.

Of course, if Israel does use it, I fully expect people on this thread to claim they’re committing a war crime.

They’ll just be called nazis over and over and over. Think it’s already happened!

Really clever stuff!

The conflation of Israel with nazism was an old Soviet trick that some on the extreme left and extreme right seem to still enjoy very much to this very day.

It’s ironic seeing them also echo Nazi propaganda like “cleaning” the world of Jews. The dumb NYU kids were doing that.

https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1717230780751950164?s=46

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article I read said it would be a way to conduct urban warfare without impacting a lot of civilians or infrastructure. We don't know if this plan is true, or psy ops, but it is the furthest thing from chemical warfare as far as the article I went. Is a sleep agent that wears off chemical warfare? I mean, I guess I don't fully know all the rules, but why is that worse than bullets and bombs?

It’s not. The list of banned chemical weapons is specific.

Of course, if Israel does use it, I fully expect people on this thread to claim they’re committing a war crime.

They’ll just be called nazis over and over and over. Think it’s already happened!

Really clever stuff!

The conflation of Israel with nazism was an old Soviet trick that some on the extreme left and extreme right seem to still enjoy very much to this very day.

It’s ironic seeing them also echo Nazi propaganda like “cleaning” the world of Jews. The dumb NYU kids were doing that.

https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1717230780751950164?s=46

One hopes that in some future world, these students will recognize and apologize for their foolishness. Doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

[Anonymous]

The UN Secretary General has said that the attacks in Israel did not occur in a vacuum and that the Palestinian people have been subject to 56 years of suffocating occupation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The UN Secretary General has said that the attacks in Israel did not occur in a vacuum and that the Palestinian people have been subject to 56 years of suffocating occupation.

So he’s starting the clock at 1967. Does he not consider it occupation when Egypt owned Gaza and Jordan owned the West Bank?

Of course, Israel also hasn’t been in Gaza for 20 years.

Double standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

I think you’re right. Israel’s reaction is just. too. much. It’s too much. My bias is toward Israel, but it’s hard to sustain. The losses are so disproportionate. I know, I know — proportionate military response does not mean one-to-one dead. But it’s just too much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

I think you’re right. Israel’s reaction is just. too. much. It’s too much. My bias is toward Israel, but it’s hard to sustain. The losses are so disproportionate. I know, I know — proportionate military response does not mean one-to-one dead. But it’s just too much.

So what else would you do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

Look at the post after this one. Israel already doesn't have the world's support. The current events won't change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

I think you’re right. Israel’s reaction is just. too. much. It’s too much. My bias is toward Israel, but it’s hard to sustain. The losses are so disproportionate. I know, I know — proportionate military response does not mean one-to-one dead. But it’s just too much.

So what else would you do?

Limited strikes and negotiate hostage release and next steps via an outside party - Ireland, Norway, the Vatican, whoever.

[Anonymous]

Israeli forensic pathologists found, among other things, a father embracing the charred remains of his child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

I think you’re right. Israel’s reaction is just. too. much. It’s too much. My bias is toward Israel, but it’s hard to sustain. The losses are so disproportionate. I know, I know — proportionate military response does not mean one-to-one dead. But it’s just too much.

So what else would you do?

Limited strikes and negotiate hostage release and next steps via an outside party - Ireland, Norway, the Vatican, whoever.

probably not ireland or norway--too biased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Family of Al Jazeera Arabic bureau chief has been killed in Gaza, his wife, 15 yr old son, daughter and a grandson are all dead. They were seeking shelter at the Nuseriat refugee camp when it was bombed, Israel may win the battle but they will lose the war. Once this is all done with, there will be no public sympathy or empathy for Israel. Governments can send weapons but they can’t manipulate public opinion ( although a lot has been tried to that end).

I think you’re right. Israel’s reaction is just. too. much. It’s too much. My bias is toward Israel, but it’s hard to sustain. The losses are so disproportionate. I know, I know — proportionate military response does not mean one-to-one dead. But it’s just too much.

So what else would you do?

Limited strikes and negotiate hostage release and next steps via an outside party - Ireland, Norway, the Vatican, whoever.

Hamas has no interest in negotiating next steps. I don’t think you realize what “terrorist organization” means.