Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2
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Anonymous
Because the behaviors were not that out of the ordinary when they were in a movie with a lot of love scenes. Why was it OK for Blake to tell Justin that he should really do something about his nose and consider a nose job? Apparently she was kidding, but I’m sure in a normal workplace that would not be tolerated. Why is it OK for her to send him a text that once he gets to know her he will learn ball busting is her love language and it’s spicy and never with teeth. You’d be OK with your husband getting a text like that from a coworker? Why is it OK for Ryan to text Justin referencing his perineum? None of these things are OK - none would be tolerated in a normal workplace, but this is Hollywood and things are different. It seems like Ryan and Blake can play by different rules but everyone else must act 100 percent buttoned up and if they don’t, they will just take small innocuous incidents and twist them wildly out of context. |
Anonymous
I mean, in what universe are jurors going to identify with complaints about your boss upgrading your housing?A complaint is not made legitimate because it emanates from a woman’s mouth, it also has to be grounded in reality. |
Anonymous
The jurors aren't Hollywood people so it doesn't matter what Hollywood people think is normal. People will think about their own non Hollywood lives and experiences. |
Anonymous
I totally agree with you that these behaviors from Blake and Ryan are inappropriate. I don't talk like that or make jokes like that and I think people who do need to learn how to turn that off for work settings. So I'm with you there. But I also think the stuff Justin and Jamey are alleged to have done is not okay. Prior to some of the recent stuff that came out, I thought maybe they were just oblivious and tone deaf (which is still problematic if you are the boss -- you have an obligation to understand how your behavior can impact people on your staff, especially how the things you say might make people feel less valued or objectified). But increasingly I think they are just $hitty men who used feminist branding to make money while treating women pretty badly at work. I know the Baldoni defenders on here will freak out about that, but it's just hard for me to square some of these behaviors. I'm really bothered to hear about Justin screaming at a female producer and then telling her, in his apology, that he'd been struggling with behavior specifically towards women, for example. I'm bothered to hear about Jamey choosing not to look into Jenny Slate's complaints specifically because he didn't want them on the record. This stuff lends credibility to Blake's allegations it didn't have for me before. It feels like maybe the Wayfarer legal team has done a good job over the last year of tearing down Blake, who is a very imperfect victim, and making it seem like Justin and Jamey were being framed. But the more actual facts come out (including actual emails/texts from Justin and Jamey) the more it looks to me like these guys are narcissists and hypcrites who have real issues with women. I increasingly think they wound up in this "male feminist" bucket specifically because they both have histories of problems and enough self awareness to realize it's a problem but not enough self control to actually fix it. |
Anonymous
This isn’t going to a jury. I guarantee Blake’s team will not let that happen. But you are wrong. It doesn’t matter that they are not in Hollywood, people want women to be the perfect victim. And Blake is about as far from perfect as you can get. She had unlimited power on the set, was taking meetings in her tribeca penthouse, an entourage of assistants and a seemingly endless parade of nannies, plus her invite to Justin to join her in her private jet. There are also tons of texts and videos of her behavior - pulling on Justin, an unscripted kiss, and flirty texts. I don’t believe that she was harassed, but even if she was, this would be an almost impossible uphill climb. the men who’ve gotten in trouble for this have had multiple women coming out spanning years and sometimes decades of truly horrific and illegal behavior. This was not that. This was never meant to go this far. There are lawyers commenting that they actually think the strategy from her team is to have this lawsuit thrown out so she can blame the system. They are getting desperate. |
Anonymous
I don't like Baldoni and am appalled at some of his fangirls. There are points in reading his depositions where I do feel sorry for him. I feel like he and Heath do try to answer honestly, in contrast to the cagier answers from Nathan or Wallace. Baldoni gets pretty emotional at time when he's confronted with some of his worse messages and explains that he was spiraling and in a very bad place mentally, and I believe him there (I also believe that this bad place led him to doing the smear campaign is accused of). If I had to psychoanalyze him, he does have issues with women, to his credit he acknowledges it and does try to work on it, but he's very sensitive to being perceived as someone who has issues with women, and that unfortunately leads to more issues. I'm sure his therapist makes a lot out of it. Like he was an ass and yelled at Saks, but I give him some credit that he actually reflected on it and apologized (I think it was genuine), because there's a million directors who would be even worse and would never apologize and create that record. Maybe that's what also leads him to put his foot in his mouth and make dumb comments like "I missed the sexual harassment training" and "it's ok, my wife is here" because he actually is hyper aware that he shouldn't be saying these things, which actually does make him more of a feminist than some men, ironically. There was one discussion in there that his greatest fear was getting cancelled for having issues with women. I definitely don't think it was the worst sexual harassment that has ever happened and maybe not sexual harassment at all. But we do have Slate, Saks, Lively, and Ayoub each getting to this conclusion independently, if not for inappropriate comments then for anger issues. They end up asking for him to be banned from the set or not wanting to be doing promo with him. I'm not going to put that all on Lively. I was surprised that Saks said Slate told her she could do with never seeing Heath again because Heath's comment about honoring mothers or whatever doesn't even seem that bad. I get she is probably a liberal feminist and it bothered her because it was gendered, but am surprised it was that visceral that she'd never want to see him again. Heath and Baldoni must give off a terrible vibe IRL that will probably make them bad witnesses. What is clear to me though is this isn't some scheme Lively cooked up to "steal a movie" which I always thought was stupid. While it does seem like some of these instances are not that big of a deal, it seems that she was honestly and legitimately upset by them and not making them up. I say that because other women got just as upset about their own issues and didn't want to work with Baldoni and Heath anymore. |
Anonymous
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It might not have been a scheme to steal the movie, but how do you justify that that is what she did. Is it because she is a woman so we have to be okay with it?
I dont like JB by but I dont think he deserved what happened, he had been working on this film with the authors blessing for years. He built a world that Blake waltzed into. Blake was not even attached to it until December 2022, right before filming started. She walked in and I truly believe that the choices she made made the movie worse. She was not on set for the scenes with the young cast, which is about 50% of the movie and I actually thought were the strongest scenes in the film. We now know Ryan Reynolds wrote the rooftop scene anyway, and that scene is largely panned as not authentic to the book and frankly really weak. She did not deserve producer credit - she didn’t do any of the back breaking work of getting the film financed, hiring everyone etc. The latest deposition shows that even when she edited, she was only there for ONE DAY. She hired other editors. Her cut was not her cut. It’s just the work of others that she is taking credit for. She did very little on this movie, but she had a lot of final decision-making. And to have his name stripped from the poster is insane to me when he worked so hard for so many years. And to find out she tried to get him fired so she could claim director credit is criminal. She was on set 16 days. In the edit suite 1!!! |
Anonymous
They clearly were out of the ordinary given that it was the multiple women who work in that environment all the time who reported their discomfort with the comments and behavior. They are part of Hollywood, they know what is typical on set and on this particular set almost all the women whose dispositions we have read so far report inappropriate behavior. We will see when more are released if other women also felt the same. At some point your belief that all these women are wrong and liars and shouldn't have any expectation of appropriate behavior on set and were wrong to report it, and that Justin and Jamey did no wrong and are being unfairly attacked just gets farther and farther from the facts and the truth. I do think Blake also behaved in inappropriate ways. I have no issue saying that too. And if her comments made people uncomfortable, they should have reported that as well. |
Anonymous
Discomfort does not warrant a $400 million lawsuit and me too article. It just doesn’t. The public knows this and that is why they have turned against Blake and Ryan. Unless there is substantial and significant evidence we have not seen yet, which I suppose could be, I don’t see how this gets better for them or how they recover from this. |
Anonymous
Your guarantee isn't worth much. |
Anonymous
But many of the claims of discomfort have been exaggerated or out of context. Jenny Slade not wanting to hear Heath’s view on motherhood when he gave her the $15,000 apartment may have been annoying and worth an HR complaint but do not think that means the threshold of sexual harassment. Claire was not on this movie and it sounds like there was a professional disagreement and no harassment. Jenny Slate not wanting the zoom meeting recorded is in no way sexual harassment. And even many of the allegations Blake has been made have been discounted. The dance video showed that she took some things out of context like him saying that she smelled so good when he did not say that and her saying, he said that after he kissed her neck when that did not happen. she said there was no intimacy coordinator when we now know there was one and she did not meet with the intimacy coordinator, forcing Justin to relay notes. The fat shaming was also taken way out of context. I’m not discounting that Blake believed that these things happened, but they have to meet a reasonable standard and it doesn’t seem like that has been met at this time. Having a few women come forward with minor complaints does not a harassment pattern make. And Blake‘s problem is that she has been caught in some lies so if other things did happen, it makes it hard to know what she has blown up in her mind and what is reality. Thats why we need evidence. But the more that comes out the more the public seems to be favoring Justin Baldoni, even despite legacy media clearly being on Blake side. If you don’t believe me, go to Just Jared or people magazine, or Us. The headlines favor Blake but read the comments. They are brutal and overwhelmingly in Justin’s favor. |
Anonymous
I don't care about the lawsuit. The behavior happened even without the lawsuit, the lawsuit just made it public knowledge. Defending the behavior and blaming the women is also not about the lawsuit - most of the women didn't sue him but in their depositions were clearly uncomfortable and bothered by their behaviour. So people who are ferociously defending them is what bothers me. That they feel that that behavior is acceptable and women should simply be expected to be quiet and take it and not speak up and say anything. THat is what would have happened without he lawsuit and I am suprised how many say yes, men can say and do as they please and make the women as uncomfortable as they want and the women should know to just accept it and be quiet about it. For example Blake had invited Jamey into her trailer once when she was breastfeeding and covered but then got upset another time when he was watching her when she wasn't covered after asking him to not look at her. Many of the responses were that since she had given consent once when covered, then Jamey have every right to look to come into her trailer and look at her covered or naked whenever he wanted as she had once previously invited him in. I disagree with that but many others ferociously defended Jamey and that it is his right and he can look at her naked whenever he wants to because its a movie set and on a previous occasion she had invited him into her trailer while she was breastfeeding and covered. There were multiple people arging that since she had given consent once, he had blanket consent to enter as he wished irregardless of her state of dress. |
Anonymous
That is your view because you don't believe any of the women. So to you, everything that made them uncomfortable was their inability to understand the context and their own experience. |
Anonymous
She got a producer credit on the movie. She didn't steal it. Wayfarer still owns the movie. Baldoni got the director credit. He and Heath are still producers. I just don't understand what it means to "steal" a movie in the context you are meaning. Wayfarer made a huge amount of money off the movie. They own the movie. As for what Baldoni deserves... it sounds like he was bad at his job and violated a lot of boundaries with a lot of people. Looking at his deposition and then the way others talk about him (not just people who clearly didn't like him, like Alex Saks, but also the way Heath or Melissa Nathan talk about him), I think he is a covert narcissist. It's someone who has all the hallmarks of narcissism -- grandiosity, inability to empathize, and a constant need for admiration and attention -- but masks them with vulnerability. So like where a standard narcissist might yell at you or use physical intimidation if confronted with criticism, a covert narcissist will dissolve into tears, admit they screwed up, and then give you a sob story about why their behavior is understandable. You will wind up comforting them (feeding their need for attention and praise) even if you were the one who was harmed by their behavior. They also often use their vulnerability to draw you in, making you feel like you have a meaningful friendship or relationship because they have confided vulnerabilities to you. This sounds like exactly what Baldoni does with his male feminism, which convinces women to trust him and view him as special (and shower him with attention for how evolved and sensitive he is), and then when he engages in these really problematic behaviors, he again reverts to vulnerability, crying and apologizing and trying to get you to feel sorry for him so the conversation isn't about him actually fixing the thing he did wrong (even though he's the boss and is in a position to do so) but about others consoling him and praising him, once again, for being evolved enough to "accept responsibility." Yet then he'll just do it again, so he's not really accepting responsibility for anything. I worked for someone like this years ago, and it's a real mind&*%k. What does someone like this deserve, especially when they've harmed multiple people with their behavior? I mean, I'm okay with them getting sued when they cross lines, which it sounds like Baldoni did. Otherwise people like this just go on hurting more people. |
Anonymous
Laughable nonsense. When you start trying to bring in Ayoub, you have reached true desperation, |