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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One of the most surprising things for me about these threads is how strongly people defend every little thing that is reported about Baldoni or Heath. It is unfortunate that so many still see sexist behavior by men as appropriate for the workplace and see Jenny Slate and Blake and other women involved as whiners who need to just sit down, shut up, not complain and take whatever comes their way. [/quote]

Still trying to make fetch happen. If sexist behavior in the workplace had occurred then yes, it is not acceptable. Your argument doesn't work because it did not happen.[/quote]

I guess for me it did. For example Jenny reported that he had called her sexy and made her uncomfortable. Yet all the responses to that were blaming women. To me, that is sexist behavior in the workplace. I don't feel my colleagues should be able to call me hot or sexy and that I am supposed to take that as a compliment and just accept it. There are multiple reports from a quite a few women about being uncomfortable on the set due to behaviour from Jamey and Justin and yet that the blame for that is all on the women who need to just not be so sensitive.[/quote]

Because the behaviors were not that out of the ordinary when they were in a movie with a lot of love scenes.

Why was it OK for Blake to tell Justin that he should really do something about his nose and consider a nose job? Apparently she was kidding, but I’m sure in a normal workplace that would not be tolerated.

Why is it OK for her to send him a text that once he gets to know her he will learn  ball busting is her love language and it’s spicy and never with teeth. You’d be OK with your husband getting a text like that from a coworker?

Why is it OK for Ryan to text Justin referencing his perineum?

None of these things are OK - none would be tolerated in a normal workplace, but this is Hollywood and things are different. It seems like Ryan and Blake can play by different rules but everyone else must act 100 percent buttoned up and if they don’t, they will just take small innocuous incidents and twist them wildly out of context. [/quote]

I totally agree with you that these behaviors from Blake and Ryan are inappropriate. I don't talk like that or make jokes like that and I think people who do need to learn how to turn that off for work settings. So I'm with you there.

But I also think the stuff Justin and Jamey are alleged to have done is not okay. Prior to some of the recent stuff that came out, I thought maybe they were just oblivious and tone deaf (which is still problematic if you are the boss -- you have an obligation to understand how your behavior can impact people on your staff, especially how the things you say might make people feel less valued or objectified). But increasingly I think they are just $hitty men who used feminist branding to make money while treating women pretty badly at work. I know the Baldoni defenders on here will freak out about that, but it's just hard for me to square some of these behaviors. I'm really bothered to hear about Justin screaming at a female producer and then telling her, in his apology, that he'd been struggling with behavior specifically towards women, for example. I'm bothered to hear about Jamey choosing not to look into Jenny Slate's complaints specifically because he didn't want them on the record. This stuff lends credibility to Blake's allegations it didn't have for me before. It feels like maybe the Wayfarer legal team has done a good job over the last year of tearing down Blake, who is a very imperfect victim, and making it seem like Justin and Jamey were being framed. But the more actual facts come out (including actual emails/texts from Justin and Jamey) the more it looks to me like these guys are narcissists and hypcrites who have real issues with women. I increasingly think they wound up in this "male feminist" bucket specifically because they both have histories of problems and enough self awareness to realize it's a problem but not enough self control to actually fix it. [/quote]

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