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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One of the most surprising things for me about these threads is how strongly people defend every little thing that is reported about Baldoni or Heath. It is unfortunate that so many still see sexist behavior by men as appropriate for the workplace and see Jenny Slate and Blake and other women involved as whiners who need to just sit down, shut up, not complain and take whatever comes their way. [/quote]

Still trying to make fetch happen. If sexist behavior in the workplace had occurred then yes, it is not acceptable. Your argument doesn't work because it did not happen.[/quote]

I guess for me it did. For example Jenny reported that he had called her sexy and made her uncomfortable. Yet all the responses to that were blaming women. To me, that is sexist behavior in the workplace. I don't feel my colleagues should be able to call me hot or sexy and that I am supposed to take that as a compliment and just accept it. There are multiple reports from a quite a few women about being uncomfortable on the set due to behaviour from Jamey and Justin and yet that the blame for that is all on the women who need to just not be so sensitive.[/quote]

Because the behaviors were not that out of the ordinary when they were in a movie with a lot of love scenes.

Why was it OK for Blake to tell Justin that he should really do something about his nose and consider a nose job? Apparently she was kidding, but I’m sure in a normal workplace that would not be tolerated.

Why is it OK for her to send him a text that once he gets to know her he will learn  ball busting is her love language and it’s spicy and never with teeth. You’d be OK with your husband getting a text like that from a coworker?

Why is it OK for Ryan to text Justin referencing his perineum?

None of these things are OK - none would be tolerated in a normal workplace, but this is Hollywood and things are different. It seems like Ryan and Blake can play by different rules but everyone else must act 100 percent buttoned up and if they don’t, they will just take small innocuous incidents and twist them wildly out of context. [/quote]

They clearly were out of the ordinary given that it was the multiple women who work in that environment all the time who reported their discomfort with the comments and behavior. They are part of Hollywood, they know what is typical on set and on this particular set almost all the women whose dispositions we have read so far report inappropriate behavior. We will see when more are released if other women also felt the same. At some point your belief that all these women are wrong and liars and shouldn't have any expectation of appropriate behavior on set and were wrong to report it, and that Justin and Jamey did no wrong and are being unfairly attacked just gets farther and farther from the facts and the truth. I do think Blake also behaved in inappropriate ways. I have no issue saying that too. And if her comments made people uncomfortable, they should have reported that as well. [/quote]

Discomfort does not warrant a $400 million lawsuit and me too article. It just doesn’t. The public knows this and that is why they have turned against Blake and Ryan.

Unless there is substantial and significant evidence we have not seen yet, which I suppose could be, I don’t see how this gets better for them or how they recover from this. [/quote]

I don't care about the lawsuit. The behavior happened even without the lawsuit, the lawsuit just made it public knowledge. Defending the behavior and blaming the women is also not about the lawsuit - most of the women didn't sue him but in their depositions were clearly uncomfortable and bothered by their behaviour. So people who are ferociously defending them is what bothers me. That they feel that that behavior is acceptable and women should simply be expected to be quiet and take it and not speak up and say anything. THat is what would have happened without he lawsuit and I am suprised how many say yes, men can say and do as they please and make the women as uncomfortable as they want and the women should know to just accept it and be quiet about it.

For example Blake had invited Jamey into her trailer once when she was breastfeeding and covered but then got upset another time when he was watching her when she wasn't covered after asking him to not look at her. Many of the responses were that since she had given consent once when covered, then Jamey have every right to look to come into her trailer and look at her covered or naked whenever he wanted as she had once previously invited him in. I disagree with that but many others ferociously defended Jamey and that it is his right and he can look at her naked whenever he wants to because its a movie set and on a previous occasion she had invited him into her trailer while she was breastfeeding and covered. There were multiple people arging that since she had given consent once, he had blanket consent to enter as he wished irregardless of her state of dress.  [/quote]

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