Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

As a parent of a Muslim Palestinian child on a U.S. Ivy League campus, I have to agree with you. My child has witnessed both verbal abuse of Jewish students because they’re Jewish and expressing horror at the terrorist attacks in the Israel. My child has also been verbally abused by students and professors because he expressed horror at the deaths of children in Gaza. It seems like people are quick to call the other side a terrorist when all they’re doing is expressing extreme pain at the senseless violence and death.

Oddly enough, the person who came to his door to give him a hug and say that she is a safe place to express his pain — she is Jewish. We parents cried tears of relief that he and this young lady can hear each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

Please stop using language like “a final solution.”

Tell you Zionist friends to stop the genocide and I’ll be happy to comply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

Because the statements being made are calling for the destruction of Israel and by association, the Jews, and have also celebrated the Hamas terrorist acts. Hamas is an expressly antisemitic group and these college protest can easily be interpreted as supporting Hamas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

As a parent of a Muslim Palestinian child on a U.S. Ivy League campus, I have to agree with you. My child has witnessed both verbal abuse of Jewish students because they’re Jewish and expressing horror at the terrorist attacks in the Israel. My child has also been verbally abused by students and professors because he expressed horror at the deaths of children in Gaza. It seems like people are quick to call the other side a terrorist when all they’re doing is expressing extreme pain at the senseless violence and death.

Oddly enough, the person who came to his door to give him a hug and say that she is a safe place to express his pain — she is Jewish. We parents cried tears of relief that he and this young lady can hear each other.

I have a hard time believing that anyone attacked your son for expressing concerns about Gazan civilians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

Because the statements being made are calling for the destruction of Israel and by association, the Jews, and have also celebrated the Hamas terrorist acts. Hamas is an expressly antisemitic group and these college protest can easily be interpreted as supporting Hamas.

NP. I’m not disputing that there have been protests like you describe— I haven’t seen any myself but assume you’re telling the truth.

But the protests I have seen at AU and Georgetown were condemning genocide. There was nothing suggesting support of Hamas. Are these protests also frightening to Jews?

[Anonymous]

It genuinely boggles my mind that pro Palestinian posters on this group continue to ignore the fact that the elected, de facto authorities in Gaza - Hamas - are hiding in tunnels and in Qatar and allowing their population to suffer - without food and fuel that has been stockpiled. I am not saying Israel should continue air strikes, I am saying that there are two sides to this:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

As a parent of a Muslim Palestinian child on a U.S. Ivy League campus, I have to agree with you. My child has witnessed both verbal abuse of Jewish students because they’re Jewish and expressing horror at the terrorist attacks in the Israel. My child has also been verbally abused by students and professors because he expressed horror at the deaths of children in Gaza. It seems like people are quick to call the other side a terrorist when all they’re doing is expressing extreme pain at the senseless violence and death.

Oddly enough, the person who came to his door to give him a hug and say that she is a safe place to express his pain — she is Jewish. We parents cried tears of relief that he and this young lady can hear each other.

I’m sorry your child experienced that.

But remember that the girl who expressed solidarity with your child wasn’t being unusual at least among American Jews. She was practicing tikkun olam (improvement in the world and social justice). It’s one of our core values. I have seen absolutely nothing but grief and sadness in the dozens of emails and correspondence I’ve been part of with Jewish organizations.

There’s been absolutely nothing about invading Gaza, support for the air strikes, or harboring any negative feelings whatsoever towards Muslims or anything like that. I get emails from my synagogue, the local JCC, PJ library, the ADL, etc etc etc

So it really saddens me when I see people equating Likud and Bibi with all Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

Please stop using language like “a final solution.”

Tell you Zionist friends to stop the genocide and I’ll be happy to comply.

I don’t know anyone in the Israeli government.

Do you think we Jews have some secret hotline where we can all communicate with one another?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

As a parent of a Muslim Palestinian child on a U.S. Ivy League campus, I have to agree with you. My child has witnessed both verbal abuse of Jewish students because they’re Jewish and expressing horror at the terrorist attacks in the Israel. My child has also been verbally abused by students and professors because he expressed horror at the deaths of children in Gaza. It seems like people are quick to call the other side a terrorist when all they’re doing is expressing extreme pain at the senseless violence and death.

Oddly enough, the person who came to his door to give him a hug and say that she is a safe place to express his pain — she is Jewish. We parents cried tears of relief that he and this young lady can hear each other.

I have a hard time believing that anyone attacked your son for expressing concerns about Gazan civilians.

You’d have a hard time listening to what was said. I’ve seen it here on this board and on Facebook. People hear Palestinian and sympathy with Gazans, and they call him a Hamas sympathizer and terrorist. They’ve told him to leave this country and go home. He was born in the US. And of course, we cant go home because we’re not allowed to move back wheee our family is from.

I take the Jewish posters at their word when they describe verbal abuse. I think I deserve that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

Because the statements being made are calling for the destruction of Israel and by association, the Jews, and have also celebrated the Hamas terrorist acts. Hamas is an expressly antisemitic group and these college protest can easily be interpreted as supporting Hamas.

NP. I’m not disputing that there have been protests like you describe— I haven’t seen any myself but assume you’re telling the truth.

But the protests I have seen at AU and Georgetown were condemning genocide. There was nothing suggesting support of Hamas. Are these protests also frightening to Jews?

Did you not see what happened at GW last night? Did you not see the Cornell professor saying he felt exhilarated by the Hamas attacks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

As a parent of a Muslim Palestinian child on a U.S. Ivy League campus, I have to agree with you. My child has witnessed both verbal abuse of Jewish students because they’re Jewish and expressing horror at the terrorist attacks in the Israel. My child has also been verbally abused by students and professors because he expressed horror at the deaths of children in Gaza. It seems like people are quick to call the other side a terrorist when all they’re doing is expressing extreme pain at the senseless violence and death.

Oddly enough, the person who came to his door to give him a hug and say that she is a safe place to express his pain — she is Jewish. We parents cried tears of relief that he and this young lady can hear each other.

I have a hard time believing that anyone attacked your son for expressing concerns about Gazan civilians.

You’d have a hard time listening to what was said. I’ve seen it here on this board and on Facebook. People hear Palestinian and sympathy with Gazans, and they call him a Hamas sympathizer and terrorist. They’ve told him to leave this country and go home. He was born in the US. And of course, we cant go home because we’re not allowed to move back wheee our family is from.

I take the Jewish posters at their word when they describe verbal abuse. I think I deserve that too.

Exactly. When someone says they’re scared, they deserve to be believed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

They are so disgusting that they are even trying to defund homeless shelters.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/21/nyc-pol-wants-defunding-for-group-over-staffer-rallying-for-palestine/amp/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

Please stop using language like “a final solution.”

Tell you Zionist friends to stop the genocide and I’ll be happy to comply.

I don’t know anyone in the Israeli government.

Do you think we Jews have some secret hotline where we can all communicate with one another?

Enough with the implicit accusations of antisemitism. There is an actual genocide happening as we type. This is about bombs and eradication of an entire people. You may not have a problem with that, but I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

Please stop using language like “a final solution.”

Tell you Zionist friends to stop the genocide and I’ll be happy to comply.

I don’t know anyone in the Israeli government.

Do you think we Jews have some secret hotline where we can all communicate with one another?

Enough with the implicit accusations of antisemitism. There is an actual genocide happening as we type. This is about bombs and eradication of an entire people. You may not have a problem with that, but I do.

You told me to tell my “Zionist friends” to stop the “genocide.” How in the holy hell do you expect me to do that?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It genuinely boggles my mind that pro Palestinian posters on this group continue to ignore the fact that the elected, de facto authorities in Gaza - Hamas - are hiding in tunnels and in Qatar and allowing their population to suffer - without food and fuel that has been stockpiled. I am not saying Israel should continue air strikes, I am saying that there are two sides to this:

So you are one of those 2sided people aka all lives matter people . Gotcha!