Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

In Herndon va, everyone I know is starting to question why we are supporting Israel, out loud .

Israel keeps sending religious fanatics into the West Bank. Why?

The settlers are extremists.

But to use them as an excuse for not wanting to allow Israel to defend itself is like using US militias in Michigan as an excuse to demonize the entire US population.

The settlers are vocal, not a minority.

Your comparison to Michigan is offensive. Michigan doesn’t have militias

Of course they’re a minority. WTH are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

[Anonymous]

Michigan militias: https://progressmichigan.org/2022/03/right-wing-extremist-groups/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

All the Zionists like “why don’t the Palestinians just protest peacefully?” It isn’t for lack of trying that’s for damned sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

lol ok. As if you weren’t the one who started cancel culture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

lol ok. As if you weren’t the one who started cancel culture.

Where all my cancel culture people at tho? Zionists are just bigots dressed up in nice clothes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope these rich white rabid bigots who are defaming and threatening students who are protesting peacefully gets their asses handed to them in court when the students sue for defamation.

See what happens here if you disagree with the Zionist regime? You can’t even protest peacefully. You must submit or die.

lol ok. As if you weren’t the one who started cancel culture.

Where all my cancel culture people at tho? Zionists are just bigots dressed up in nice clothes.

The worst Zionists are the Christian fundamentalists. They’re not even trying to pass for nice people.

[jsteele]

I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

[Anonymous]

Israel has neutralized many important Hamas figures. But it must feel like it has more to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I'll go out on a bit of a limb, fully prepared to see it get cut off at any minute, and say that we may have to start reconciling ourselves to Hamas surviving this thing. Israel and the US seem to be losing their appetite for a ground war. As progress is made towards releasing the hostages, a ground war will probably be continued to be pushed back. It is questionable how long Israel can continue to keep its reserves mobilized but just sitting around. Ultimately, calmer heads may prevail and there will be some sort of negotiated ceasefire and life goes back to normal.

The counter argument to this is that the minute it is clear the worst is over, Netanyahu will be kicked out and likely headed for jail. So, he may prefer to keep hostilities going for as long as possible.

I’ve been following this conflict closely for over 25 years, as a white Christian American. I think you’re probably right, but with the important point that ultimately this isn’t about Hamas. There was conflict before Hamas emerged in 1987 and will be conflict after Hamas is crushed.

The conflict will continue until the Palestinians either get enough of their rights recognized that they can live with it … or they’re exterminated in a final solution.

Hamas is a straw man. A deadly one, an unacceptable one. But the issue is fundamentally about rights.

Please stop using language like “a final solution.”

[Anonymous]

Folks, it’s just been weeks. Israel is fighting a six front war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks, it’s just been weeks. Israel is fighting a six front war.

And remember that they didn’t expect to have to do this. The 10/7 attack was unexpected.