Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Just looked through the superintendent's proposal and saw that Darnestown ES would be changed from Lakelands Park to Kingsview, which explains the drop in enrollment for Lakelands Park.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Just looked through the superintendent's proposal and saw that Darnestown ES would be changed from Lakelands Park to Kingsview, which explains the drop in enrollment for Lakelands Park.

Someone mebtioms Lakeland Park MS goes down to 55 percent utilitized under proposal, how ciuld that be possible? Which ESs going to be zoned to Lakeland park MS under the proposal?

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Just looked through the superintendent's proposal and saw that Darnestown ES would be changed from Lakelands Park to Kingsview, which explains the drop in enrollment for Lakelands Park.

Someone mebtioms Lakeland Park MS goes down to 55 percent utilitized under proposal, how ciuld that be possible? Which ESs going to be zoned to Lakeland park MS under the proposal?

Looking at the articulation document from the superintendent's proposal:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1doLnOvo86NOxAoBAmBBtgYXKoU-ayktW/view?usp=drive_link

It looks like the feeder schools for LLP would be Diamond ES, with split articulation, Jones Lane ES, with split articulation, Rachel Carson and Thurgood Marshall, with split articulation. So Rachel Carson would be the only feeder school to LLP with no split articulation.

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The superintendent's proposal is on this page:
https://sites.google.com/mcpsmd.net/superintendentreccrowndamascus?usp=sharing

which has the data effects table linked showing LLP's utilization going down to 55 percent after the changes.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the "bad" elementary schools that will articulate to Frost?

There are no bad elementary schools. Just bad parents. And the way this has been playing out, the ones I'm most concerned about are the Parkway not-in-my-backyard-but-my-property-values parents. Most of those are feeding into Frost it seems.

There are bad elementary schools. The difference that really counts is the quality of the teacher/s your child is assigned to. You can be at the best school with terrible admin and teachers and have a bad experience or you can be at a "bad" school with great teachers and admin and have a great experience.

Property values cannot continue to rise and if they do, and people are buying them most are going into huge debt for it and that makes no sense.

Please don't take everything here literally. But speaking of taking things literally, what you say makes no sense. Property values will of course continue to rise - and isn't this what we want? People are going into huge debt now as they buy homes and they will continue to. How else does one buy in this area? Unless you're one of the privileged few who are getting houses handed to them because of generational wealth and you don't get how people buy homes? Confused.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

This mindset is exactly why MCPS is declining so rapidly. Programs and schools that work well and benefit students are often criticized simply because they’re viewed as inequitable or a privilege. Instead of finding ways to expand successful opportunities, the approach seems to be to eliminate them and leaving everyone with the bare minimum while taxpayers continue to fund a system that lacks transparency and accountability

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

This mindset is exactly why MCPS is declining so rapidly. Programs and schools that work well and benefit students are often criticized simply because they’re viewed as inequitable or a privilege. Instead of finding ways to expand successful opportunities, the approach seems to be to eliminate them and leaving everyone with the bare minimum while taxpayers continue to fund a system that lacks transparency and accountability

Wootton certainly won’t be shaking that privilege tag anytime soon with how the parkway parents act. Thanks a lot

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Anonymous wrote:What are the "bad" elementary schools that will articulate to Frost?

There are no bad elementary schools. Just bad parents. And the way this has been playing out, the ones I'm most concerned about are the Parkway not-in-my-backyard-but-my-property-values parents. Most of those are feeding into Frost it seems.

There are bad elementary schools. The difference that really counts is the quality of the teacher/s your child is assigned to. You can be at the best school with terrible admin and teachers and have a bad experience or you can be at a "bad" school with great teachers and admin and have a great experience.

Property values cannot continue to rise and if they do, and people are buying them most are going into huge debt for it and that makes no sense.

Please don't take everything here literally. But speaking of taking things literally, what you say makes no sense. Property values will of course continue to rise - and isn't this what we want? People are going into huge debt now as they buy homes and they will continue to. How else does one buy in this area? Unless you're one of the privileged few who are getting houses handed to them because of generational wealth and you don't get how people buy homes? Confused.

Beyond family money or huge loans, neither of which we had/would do, I don't get it except if you make $300K or more a year.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

This mindset is exactly why MCPS is declining so rapidly. Programs and schools that work well and benefit students are often criticized simply because they’re viewed as inequitable or a privilege. Instead of finding ways to expand successful opportunities, the approach seems to be to eliminate them and leaving everyone with the bare minimum while taxpayers continue to fund a system that lacks transparency and accountability

Only the W schools have these kids of programs; the other schools would have to offer them to get them eliminated. We've never had anything but the bare minimum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Don’t worry, Dufief will be sent to the QO cluster!

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

This mindset is exactly why MCPS is declining so rapidly. Programs and schools that work well and benefit students are often criticized simply because they’re viewed as inequitable or a privilege. Instead of finding ways to expand successful opportunities, the approach seems to be to eliminate them and leaving everyone with the bare minimum while taxpayers continue to fund a system that lacks transparency and accountability

Only the W schools have these kids of programs; the other schools would have to offer them to get them eliminated. We've never had anything but the bare minimum.

Shh wouldn’t want W schools to hear you from outside their bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Regional programming model. Wootton region 4 and QO is region 5. You can't swap regions from MS to HS so if Fields is going to new Wootton it needs to also go to a region 4 middle.

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Anonymous wrote:So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

Regional programming model. Wootton region 4 and QO is region 5. You can't swap regions from MS to HS so if Fields is going to new Wootton it needs to also go to a region 4 middle.

Right and that’s also why Darnestown has to move to Kingsview because they’ll be in region 6 now. Having said that, I think them consolidating by merging Ridgeview into Lakelands Park is not too out of the question for the next study.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Honey, yes. It's a joke because of the random furor that has been out there about Wootton at Crown being near 9 hotels.

By the way, how do high schoolers get alcohol though when that requires an ID too?

There is even a hotel like 1.2 miles from wootton - do kids go there from wootton and do drugs?

That is a parenting responsibility. Kids can do it after school and weekends with parents who don’t monitor them.

I bet hs kids all over moco also do drugs in their parent's basements. can we move on from the random hotel distraction already?

omg the hotel issue is over the top hilarious. Keep at it Wootton parents. You look crazier by the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

This mindset is exactly why MCPS is declining so rapidly. Programs and schools that work well and benefit students are often criticized simply because they’re viewed as inequitable or a privilege. Instead of finding ways to expand successful opportunities, the approach seems to be to eliminate them and leaving everyone with the bare minimum while taxpayers continue to fund a system that lacks transparency and accountability

Only the W schools have these kids of programs; the other schools would have to offer them to get them eliminated. We've never had anything but the bare minimum.

You’re satisfied with the bare minimum, and then you expect everyone else to accept the bare minimum too. Meanwhile, MCPS seems perfectly content to sit back, stay relaxed, and watch communities fight among themselves.