Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Honey, yes. It's a joke because of the random furor that has been out there about Wootton at Crown being near 9 hotels.

By the way, how do high schoolers get alcohol though when that requires an ID too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the "bad" elementary schools that will articulate to Frost?

There are no bad elementary schools. Just bad parents. And the way this has been playing out, the ones I'm most concerned about are the Parkway not-in-my-backyard-but-my-property-values parents. Most of those are feeding into Frost it seems.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Also, why is this okay for other schools but not for your precious Wootton? BCC has 8 hotels nearby, is that a problem there? The # 4 ranked HS in the US has like 15 hotels near it. Same with the #6 and #7 ranked HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Honey, yes. It's a joke because of the random furor that has been out there about Wootton at Crown being near 9 hotels.

By the way, how do high schoolers get alcohol though when that requires an ID too?

There is even a hotel like 1.2 miles from wootton - do kids go there from wootton and do drugs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

I promise you will survive the loss. Almost the entire county operates like this now

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

You forgot a crucial piece here - they don’t care about them!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

I'm Pro-H, but I'm not going to pretend that there aren't legitimate downsides to moving the campus. It sucks that that connection will be lost. Some of the after-school tutoring can continue to go on, since the busses will arrive back in time for middle school dismissal. High schoolers will still be able to volunteer at the middle school.

I was at Blair when they moved the school and we lost the ability to have open lunch because the area of the campus was on a major intersection. On the plus side, the building was much nicer and the ceilings weren't falling in, so it was a better experience and I hope your younger child enjoys the new building.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

The issues you mentioned above have never been a problem for my DD. However, I also have a younger child who will attend Frost in the future. Losing the connected orchestra/band program, after-school clubs and tutoring, and many other valuable partnerships would be a significant loss for our family

there's no mandate in the boundary process to maintain a connected MS/HS campus. It might be the only joint campus existing in the county, just by geographical chance. There's 2 ES's that don't feed into frost who didn't have access to those clubs, orchestra, and valuable partnerships to begin with. those are "extras" that frost students have the privilege of access to.

You forgot a crucial piece here - they don’t care about them!

These can still happen. You are wealthy, pay for tutoring.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Honey, yes. It's a joke because of the random furor that has been out there about Wootton at Crown being near 9 hotels.

By the way, how do high schoolers get alcohol though when that requires an ID too?

There is even a hotel like 1.2 miles from wootton - do kids go there from wootton and do drugs?

That is a parenting responsibility. Kids can do it after school and weekends with parents who don’t monitor them.

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Honey, yes. It's a joke because of the random furor that has been out there about Wootton at Crown being near 9 hotels.

By the way, how do high schoolers get alcohol though when that requires an ID too?

There is even a hotel like 1.2 miles from wootton - do kids go there from wootton and do drugs?

That is a parenting responsibility. Kids can do it after school and weekends with parents who don’t monitor them.

I bet hs kids all over moco also do drugs in their parent's basements. can we move on from the random hotel distraction already?

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Anonymous wrote:Anytime a decision seems really strange it's useful to look at who benefits from its outcome.

Who really benefits from moving high performers into the new high school? The Wootton community is vehemently against it, so not them. There are arguments that Rosemont and Fields Road would benefit, but nobody is opposing them using the school w/o dismantling Wootton.

Developers on the other hand rake in hand over fist on properties sold that are "districted to Wootton". These sell at VERY inflated prices.

The county's EV bus contract was recently cancelled due to corruption.

Of course. This is why, despite moving Wootton being on the drawing board since November 2024 (or May 2024 when it was taken off the CIP), MCPS decided to hide the ball when it first offered a vague Option H on December 1, 2025. Confronted with questions about ambiguities in that version, MCPS realized the jig was up and finally came clean in a reissued Option H on December 3, 2025. But by that time, MCPS could see the finish line and hoped it could delay and outrace there backlash with the holidays. The Wootton community mobilized relatively quickly, leading to very vocal opposition at meetings and petitions- all of which the BOE and MCPS ignored to the beat of their ability.

Why? Because the fix was in and Taylor already had the BOE votes he needed before even proposing Option H.

As evidence that developers will be the winners here, Crown is being renamed Wootton, even though 40% of its student body will not come from Wootton.

Also, renaming Crown to Wootton is a fig leaf for MCPS to avoid running afoul of the COMAR requirements for closing a school.

Sigh...fearmongering or just bad math? Feels like we keep doing this but...Crown will open with about 2200 kids. 1700 will be from Wootton (about 90% of students from Wootton's current feeder pattern). 200 will be from Crown and 300 from Fields Road. More than 75% of the school will be from within Wootton's current boundaries.

Elite level math says otherwise:

500 non-Wootton
1700 Wootton

Therefore 500/1200 = 40%

MCPS busted with lies again!

dp - oh my lord.... Are you a product of MCPS new math by chance?

500+1700 = 2200

500/2200 = 22.7%

The % of non Wootton students = total # of non Wootton students divided by TOTAL students at Crown.

Frost is changed the most compared to Wootton. ~300-400 new students in and 300-400 existing students out for a student body of 900. That’s a completely different middle school and will no longer perform as well as Hoover and cabin John

Frost changing is 100% the reason why parkway parents are mad - the demographics dont line up with what they want. They dont want to look bad. "oh no they are closing wootton" sounds a bit less horrible than "oh no FARMS in our neighborhood"

It’s not that simple. Losing a connected MS-HS campus is a huge loss in addition to lowered performance

Think of the benefits of them not being next to each other too though - if there is an incident at the HS you dont have to also worry about the MS nearby. You dont have to worry about HS students dating MS students. You don't have to worry about MS students being exposed to HS drugs (and lets not pretend there are not drug users at Wootton - and that they arent from the neighborhood, because there are for sure plenty)

Don't forget. There are 9 hotels near the future Wootton at Crown - so the dating, drug use and debauchery can happen in peace by just the highschoolers at the said hotels. They can't as easily drag middle schoolers into the mix.

You do know that hotels dont let kids get rooms right? These arent by the hour hotels. These are legit hotels that ask for IDs and are expensive.

Also, why is this okay for other schools but not for your precious Wootton? BCC has 8 hotels nearby, is that a problem there? The # 4 ranked HS in the US has like 15 hotels near it. Same with the #6 and #7 ranked HS.

And there are 3 hotels in walking distance to current Wootton location. So I'm not sure of the difference here. I walked to one of the hotels when I was a Wootton student years ago. Parents are grasping at straws here

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So it looks like they will eventually close one of the QO middle schools?

Currently Ridgeview is projected to be 71 percent capacity if there are no changes and change to 44 percent capacity with sending Fields Road to Frost.

Lakelands Park currently has 85 percent capacity if there are no changes and goes down to 55 percent with some changes in the superintendent's proposal. Although I'm not sure where these changes are coming from.

And it looks like they'll bump Travilah ES to Cabin John to make room for Fields Road to go to Frost.

I guess my question is why does Fields Road ES have to go to Frost, when their current middle school is close by(3.2 miles to Ridgeview vs 7.1 miles to Frost) and has capacity?

Unless it's like some posters have mentioned, they will eventually consolidate Lakelands Park and Ridgeview and close one of the schools. Leaving just one feeder MS to QO?

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Anonymous wrote:What are the "bad" elementary schools that will articulate to Frost?

There are no bad elementary schools. Just bad parents. And the way this has been playing out, the ones I'm most concerned about are the Parkway not-in-my-backyard-but-my-property-values parents. Most of those are feeding into Frost it seems.

There are bad elementary schools. The difference that really counts is the quality of the teacher/s your child is assigned to. You can be at the best school with terrible admin and teachers and have a bad experience or you can be at a "bad" school with great teachers and admin and have a great experience.

Property values cannot continue to rise and if they do, and people are buying them most are going into huge debt for it and that makes no sense.