Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Israel is quickly losing the moral high Israelis have killed thousands of Palestinian children--how many of those were Hamas? I get that innocents are accidentally killed in war, but Israel's strategy is to kill Palestinians--including exploding buildings with babies and elderly--as an excuse for routing out Hamas. There is no interpretation of just war that allows for the ratio of civilians to militants killed to be that high. NONE.
Israel has blood on its hands now. Reasonable people understood the horror of Hamas' killing of Israeli civilians. The same reasonable people also see that what Israel's killing of hundreds, if not thousands, of children of Gaza is morally reprehensible and not justifiable under any circumstance. Schande.

Please provide a citation for your assertion that that’s Israel’s strategy.

Otherwise I’ll just assume you’re talking out of your ass.

What is Israel's strategy? How many of the hundreds, if not thousands, of Palestinians killed by Israelis are Hamas militants? And let's assume that half of those killed are babies, toddlers, children. How many humans have Israelis killed in Gaza are Hamas? How many are civliians?

Hamas could defend their people if they weren’t such cowards hiding behind their women and children. Encourage Hamas to crawl out of their tunnels and engage the IDF in a fight. You know they won’t because they simply view their people as pawns to be used to further their brutality.

So answer the questions, or are you admitting that the IDF is knowingly killing far more civilians than Hamas militants? That is a war crime. And yes, Hamas is despicable, but Israel should not respond by committing war crimes in return.

Hamas is knowingly and willingly using its own people to cower behind. They are the ones condemning the Palestinians of Gaza to death all because they are frightened of Israelis. The war crime is entirely theirs.
Encourage Hamas’ fighters to emerge from hiding behind their women and children. Hamas won’t of course because they don’t value the lives of their own innocents.
Hamas are cowards who can do nothing but destroy the lives of innocents.

Again, Israel should not be committing war crimes by killing a disproportionate number of civilians to militants. You are so blinded that you cannot see that the IDF are committing war crimes. War crimes are never justified; even if your enemy is committing them. Hamas as committed atrocious war crimes, but you do not seem to understand that Israel is not morally in the right by decimating hundreds of innocent children in Gaza as "collateral" damage.

Hamas should then emerge from hiding and fight. But everyone knows they are cowards who will just as eagerly sacrifice the lives of Israeli innocents as they will their own women and children who they force to shield them and their worthless lives.
Did you expect anything less though from the government of Hamas whose own charter only classifies women as the bearers of men?

Hamas did emerge to fight in Israel. They only took all those hostages over to Gaza because according to people at the kibbutz, cops and military didn’t arrive for hours.

When they finally did emerge, Israelis that (Hamas had taken as shields) were also being killed in the crossfire .

One of the poor hostages , the 85 year old woman, said Hamas sent balloons and threats in the days or weeks prior so there were was a warning And Israel knew this attack was coming.

I would assume anything she says and does publicly is because her husband is still a hostage. I would not believe anything she says because it is under duress.

And if her husband compliments Hamas too, then what? Stockholm syndrome?

Please tell me you’re not trying to argue that they truly had a nice experience with Hamas.

There’s nothing nice about being captured by a kill squad but humane treatment -yes. That is what she is saying . She also said the kibbutz got several warnings in the weeks prior of Hamas’ entry and they were ignored by the Shin Bet and IDF. I also believe her 100%.

What reason would she have to lie? She’s fully cognizant and isn’t senile

So Hamas won’t execute her husband.

Hamas never executes or
Tortures any Israeli held hostage. Even Gilad Shalit , an IDF soldier, who was held for five years by Hamas said that he was treated humanely . Hamas claims to follow Islamic
Rules regarding treating captives humanely whatever that means

I actually think Hezbollah and the Lebanese front is actually a bigger problem for Israel . I think they are crazier than Hamas

I see. So if you are lucky enough to be captured rather than being a Thai farm worker slowly beheaded by a garden hoe, the people who did the beheading will treat you just fine and won’t torture you. Good to know.

They beheaded someone with a garden hoe? I know atrocities occurred, but I haven't gone deeply down that rabbit hole (for my own mental/emotional health). Not denying it, just appalled.

Yes. And they did it slowly. A day or two ago the video was still on Twitter, and I believe is widely available elsewhere if you look, although I don’t recommend it as I cannot unsee it. The Thai farm worker was visibly struggling in between each blow.

And, be aware that they didn't even bother taking the Thai workers hostage because they knew the Thai government wouldn't speak up for them.

This really shows how any Western armchair leftist gets it wrong. The Palestinians aren't really "POC" to begin with, and they certainly didn't recognize any solidarity with these poor workers who are certainly "POC".

In general the armchair leftists don’t seem to care whatsoever about the non-Israeli farm worker victims of Hamas. We already knew they didn’t care about the Israeli victims, but I sort of thought poor farm workers might warrant some pity in their world view. But no.

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Anonymous wrote:A underground spider web of tunnels with electricity, lights, toilets, underground doctors/Medics, food and water? Probably television too.

These are bunkers/underground apartments not even tunnels . It’s obviously safe from the IDF bombing. The Israeli hostages there were safer than Gazans. The IDF military strategy does nothing to get rid of Hamas or free the hostages. It’s all about killing kids and families with 5,000 pound bombs . Yes- that is the way to get rid of Hamas, for sure.

Give us your brilliant ideas then.

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Where are the posters for the hundreds of Palestinian children who went missing during Israel’s bombing of Gaza?

Is it antisemitic to care about them?

Put some up. I’d be surprised if Jews take them down.

You would? Jews complained of 4 year old Gazans’ art work . You don’t think they’d be triggered by seeing dismembered and burned Gazan children? With their limbs crushed to smithereens?

Or maybe that’s an exciting sight who knows?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.

This is so disingenuous.

Zero Jewish students have been killed in hate crimes in the United States. A 6 year old Palestinian boy from Chicago was murdered to preemptively “protect” Jews from antisemitism.

He was 6 years old.

It’s much more dangerous to be a Palestinian child in the United States than a Jewish one. Yet, nobody cares. His death doesn’t matter because he wasn’t Jewish, and you’re spreading more of the propaganda that got him killed.

I'm not sure it's a contest, but in the interest of accuracy, I'll play.

There are far, far more hate crimes against Jews every year than against Muslims (and obviously even few directly against Palestinians).

Don't believe me? Check out the FBI stats.

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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.

Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?

Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?

Add Israel to that list because it is not a democracy.

Yeah, if we told you that you had to live in one of the above countries you'd be BEGGING to go to Israel.

No pumpkin spice lattes in Yemen, babe.

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Anonymous wrote:A underground spider web of tunnels with electricity, lights, toilets, underground doctors/Medics, food and water? Probably television too.

These are bunkers/underground apartments not even tunnels . It’s obviously safe from the IDF bombing. The Israeli hostages there were safer than Gazans. The IDF military strategy does nothing to get rid of Hamas or free the hostages. It’s all about killing kids and families with 5,000 pound bombs . Yes- that is the way to get rid of Hamas, for sure.

Give us your brilliant ideas then.

Easy. Rafah crossing priority to whoever snitches first on where the tunnels are (because I’m Sure many will people in Gaza know!). Israel will get a hundred calls within 5 minutes flat.

Hostages will be saved without concession . Hamas members will be killed or kept alive and tortured to provide intel.


This is the smart way but we know the revenge lust is too deep to not avoid to kill Gazan three year olds

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.

This is so disingenuous.

Zero Jewish students have been killed in hate crimes in the United States. A 6 year old Palestinian boy from Chicago was murdered to preemptively “protect” Jews from antisemitism.

He was 6 years old.

It’s much more dangerous to be a Palestinian child in the United States than a Jewish one. Yet, nobody cares. His death doesn’t matter because he wasn’t Jewish, and you’re spreading more of the propaganda that got him killed.

Yes, because their lives don't matter. The only US citizens that get left to die in the razed Ghetto. The only humans about which it's permissible to talk with such shameless disregard.

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Pls look inward. IF so many people are commenting and questioning these airstrike all the kids the jewish state is killing in retaliation, it should awaken something inside you. pay attention, the world is watching, life for a 1000 lives is not civilized.

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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.

Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?

Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?

Add Israel to that list because it is not a democracy.

Yeah, if we told you that you had to live in one of the above countries you'd be BEGGING to go to Israel.

No pumpkin spice lattes in Yemen, babe.

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Where are the posters for the hundreds of Palestinian children who went missing during Israel’s bombing of Gaza?

Is it antisemitic to care about them?

Put some up. I’d be surprised if Jews take them down.

You would? Jews complained of 4 year old Gazans’ art work . You don’t think they’d be triggered by seeing dismembered and burned Gazan children? With their limbs crushed to smithereens?

Or maybe that’s an exciting sight who knows?

I think you aged Jews confused with pro-Hamas folks who called the 10/7 attack "exhilarating" and celebrated in the streets.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.

This is so disingenuous.

Zero Jewish students have been killed in hate crimes in the United States. A 6 year old Palestinian boy from Chicago was murdered to preemptively “protect” Jews from antisemitism.

He was 6 years old.

It’s much more dangerous to be a Palestinian child in the United States than a Jewish one. Yet, nobody cares. His death doesn’t matter because he wasn’t Jewish, and you’re spreading more of the propaganda that got him killed.

I'm not sure it's a contest, but in the interest of accuracy, I'll play.

There are far, far more hate crimes against Jews every year than against Muslims (and obviously even few directly against Palestinians).

Don't believe me? Check out the FBI stats.

That's because Jews report paintings of Palestinian children as a hate crime. Let's talk about convictions, not reports.

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Anonymous wrote:A underground spider web of tunnels with electricity, lights, toilets, underground doctors/Medics, food and water? Probably television too.

These are bunkers/underground apartments not even tunnels . It’s obviously safe from the IDF bombing. The Israeli hostages there were safer than Gazans. The IDF military strategy does nothing to get rid of Hamas or free the hostages. It’s all about killing kids and families with 5,000 pound bombs . Yes- that is the way to get rid of Hamas, for sure.

Which is why Israel and Egypt are not allowing fuel into Gaza. Those tunnels are dependent on generators for ventilation. No fuel. No generators. And then Hamas will have to rise to the surface. If the hospitals need fuel for their generators, Hamas has plenty. But thy'd rather see Palestinians die then help.

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I don’t believe Israel didn’t know Oct 7 was near. The hostages remarks about balloons with fire being sent days prior as a warning /message seals it for me. Egyptians also claim they warned Israel.

At this point, I believe Israel and Hamas are collaborators working to control the Gaza Strip together and make money together . From time to time, Both don’t mind using their own public as human shields for wars . This only helps right wing Israel and right wing Hamas to hold on to power in their respective regions.

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Anonymous wrote:A underground spider web of tunnels with electricity, lights, toilets, underground doctors/Medics, food and water? Probably television too.

These are bunkers/underground apartments not even tunnels . It’s obviously safe from the IDF bombing. The Israeli hostages there were safer than Gazans. The IDF military strategy does nothing to get rid of Hamas or free the hostages. It’s all about killing kids and families with 5,000 pound bombs . Yes- that is the way to get rid of Hamas, for sure.

Give us your brilliant ideas then.

Easy. Rafah crossing priority to whoever snitches first on where the tunnels are (because I’m Sure many will people in Gaza know!). Israel will get a hundred calls within 5 minutes flat.

Hostages will be saved without concession . Hamas members will be killed or kept alive and tortured to provide intel.


This is the smart way but we know the revenge lust is too deep to not avoid to kill Gazan three year olds

Your naivety is breathtaking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Where are the posters for the hundreds of Palestinian children who went missing during Israel’s bombing of Gaza?

Is it antisemitic to care about them?

Put some up. I’d be surprised if Jews take them down.

You would? Jews complained of 4 year old Gazans’ art work . You don’t think they’d be triggered by seeing dismembered and burned Gazan children? With their limbs crushed to smithereens?

Or maybe that’s an exciting sight who knows?

I think you aged Jews confused with pro-Hamas folks who called the 10/7 attack "exhilarating" and celebrated in the streets.

It’s a classic instance of projection.