Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.


Manipulative, professional victims. Even the art of children makes you scared.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html


Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.


Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?


Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?



Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......


Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.



Let's not pretend that you know what was offered and what was rejected.


It's not a well-guarded secret. Try reading a book.

You can start with this one.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?


In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.


Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.


Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?


And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.


+1000


+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.



How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?


Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.


a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.


Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?


Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.


WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab


Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.


Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

The Palestinian spouse of an Israeli citizen cannot be naturalized under an Israeli law passed last year. OTOH, if your spouse holds a passport from any other country, they can be naturalized. That is an aggressive statement by Israeli lawmakers actively discouraging the normalization of relations between Israel and Palestine.
Non-Jews cannot serve in the IDF, which means that they are not eligible for housing and educational benefits that are reserved for veterans.
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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.


You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.


It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.


Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?



Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?


Exactly.
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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.


You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.


It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.


Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?



Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?


Add Israel to that list because it is not a democracy.
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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?


In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.


Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.


Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?


And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.


+1000


+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.



How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?


Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.


a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.


Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?


Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.


WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab


Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.


Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.


Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.


One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.


That is not what all Jews believe.


Yes it is. Show me any Jew who says otherwise, outside of maybe ultra-Orthodox.


The two sentences you wrote are contradictory. Do you not see that? The ultra-Orthodox are not some small irrelevant group.


I don’t even think ultra-Orthodox disagree that one can be ethnically or religiously Jewish or both.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.


This is so disingenuous.

Zero Jewish students have been killed in hate crimes in the United States. A 6 year old Palestinian boy from Chicago was murdered to preemptively “protect” Jews from antisemitism.

He was 6 years old.

It’s much more dangerous to be a Palestinian child in the United States than a Jewish one. Yet, nobody cares. His death doesn’t matter because he wasn’t Jewish, and you’re spreading more of the propaganda that got him killed.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html


Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.


Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?


Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?



Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......


Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.



So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?


Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/


The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.



I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.


Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?



It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.


Arafat could’ve countered. The deal involved 95% of the 1967 borders, but if he didn’t like some of the terms, he could’ve proposed something else. He didn’t.


Incorrect. The offers are a matter of public record. You can go read what was offered instead of just reciting Israeli propaganda.


Sorry, but PP is right. This is well documented.

Not to mention that Olmert said that he gave Abbas an “unprecedented offer” based on a return to the pre-1967 borders, including land swaps and a division of Jerusalem. Olmert never received a final response from the Palestinians on the offer. A Palestinian negotiator subsequently acknowledged in the media that the Israeli plan would have given his side the equivalent of 100 percent of the disputed lands under discussion.
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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?


In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.


Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.


Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?


And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.


+1000


+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.



How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?


Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.


a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.


Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?


Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.


WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab


Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.


Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.


Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.


One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.


That is not what all Jews believe.


Yes it is. Show me any Jew who says otherwise, outside of maybe ultra-Orthodox.


The two sentences you wrote are contradictory. Do you not see that? The ultra-Orthodox are not some small irrelevant group.


I don’t even think ultra-Orthodox disagree that one can be ethnically or religiously Jewish or both.


Um... yes they do and you know that.
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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.


You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.


It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.


Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?



Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?


Add Israel to that list because it is not a democracy.


Really?
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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.


You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.


It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.


Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?



Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?


Add Israel to that list because it is not a democracy.


If that's the case, it's truly awful that Palestinian leadership (along with Arab government allies) has been trying to kill every Jew in Israel for nearly 100 years.

Those poor Israeli's aren't responsible for their leaders actions, just like Palestinians aren't responsible for Hamas.

Right?
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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html


Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.


Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?


Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?



Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......


Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.



So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?


Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/


The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.



I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.


Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?



It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.


Arafat could’ve countered. The deal involved 95% of the 1967 borders, but if he didn’t like some of the terms, he could’ve proposed something else. He didn’t.


Incorrect. The offers are a matter of public record. You can go read what was offered instead of just reciting Israeli propaganda.


There were no written proposals. Everything was verbal. Stop lying.


So Dennis Ross, the chief Middle East negotiator for both Bush and Clinton is lying? His book "The Missing Piece" is all lies?

Might be time to adjust your tinfoil hat.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s a very scary time to be a Jewish student on many college campuses. And antisemitism is up almost 400 percent from this time last year, per ADL.


This is so disingenuous.

Zero Jewish students have been killed in hate crimes in the United States. A 6 year old Palestinian boy from Chicago was murdered to preemptively “protect” Jews from antisemitism.

He was 6 years old.

It’s much more dangerous to be a Palestinian child in the United States than a Jewish one. Yet, nobody cares. His death doesn’t matter because he wasn’t Jewish, and you’re spreading more of the propaganda that got him killed.



You’re such a liar.

You think zero Jews get killed in the US due to hate crimes?

https://apnews.com/article/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ba843b83bf674d2603a07add574f13ea
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A underground spider web of tunnels with electricity, lights, toilets, underground doctors/Medics, food and water? Probably television too.

These are bunkers/underground apartments not even tunnels . It’s obviously safe from the IDF bombing. The Israeli hostages there were safer than Gazans. The IDF military strategy does nothing to get rid of Hamas or free the hostages. It’s all about killing kids and families with 5,000 pound bombs . Yes- that is the way to get rid of Hamas, for sure.
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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html


Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.


Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?


Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?



Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......


Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.



So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?


Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/


The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.



I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.


Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?



It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.


Arafat could’ve countered. The deal involved 95% of the 1967 borders, but if he didn’t like some of the terms, he could’ve proposed something else. He didn’t.


Incorrect. The offers are a matter of public record. You can go read what was offered instead of just reciting Israeli propaganda.


There were no written proposals. Everything was verbal. Stop lying.


So Dennis Ross, the chief Middle East negotiator for both Bush and Clinton is lying? His book "The Missing Piece" is all lies?

Might be time to adjust your tinfoil hat.


You can write a book about events without having written proposals.

The proposals were, for the most part, verbal. As no agreement was reached and there is no official written record of the proposals, some ambiguity remains over details of the positions of the parties on specific issues.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
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