Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.

That is not what all Jews believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like the Pope to visit. People need to start talking about peace, not vengeance.

Do you really think Jews or Muslims care about the Pope?

What is he gonna do?

When Pope John Paul II visited Bethlehem, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians came to see him. I don’t know about Jews, but Muslims and Christians revere and respect the Pope as the leader of a large percentage of Christians globally.

Wow, you know nothing about Jews then.

We don’t care for the Pope. For one, he’s the head of a Church that blamed us for killing Jesus, which is the reason we were slaughtered for hundreds of years. Not our fav institution.

Of all the posts here, that has to be strangest one. Why would Israelis or Palestinians listen to the Pope?

Hamas and Israel are more likely to listen to each other than listen to the Pope. Seriously

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

Terming something as collateral damage doesn’t mean their lives don’t matter.

They didn't matter enough to prevent the primary damage from taking place. So, ultimately, it does mean their lives don't matter. Everything and everyone else must take a backseat to Israel's blood revenge.

You do realize this happens in every war, right?

When it does, it's considered a war crime. And this was.

It’s actually not.

“ Collateral damage is an accepted consequence of warfare. The law of armed conflict (LOAC) permits soldiers to carry out attacks against military objectives with the knowledge that civilians will be killed, provided the attack is consistent with the requirements of the principle of proportionality.”

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/collateral-damage-innocent-bystanders-war/#:~:text=Collateral%20damage%20is%20an%20accepted,of%20the%20principle%20of%20proportionality.

The bombing could only be condsidered proportional if you think Christian lives don't matter. To everyone else, this was a war crime.

That’s not what proportionality means.

Actually, it is. And the fact that you can't state what proportionality means, and can only say something isn't so you can justify innocent civilian deaths, shows you don't know what proportionality means. Or, maybe you just don't care about Christian lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like the Pope to visit. People need to start talking about peace, not vengeance.

Do you really think Jews or Muslims care about the Pope?

What is he gonna do?

Oh it’s not about the people there but the people watching. He could do a lot of good.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Well, in a way -- yes.

His actions have consequences that have reverberated through the decades.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.

That is not what all Jews believe.

So? Judaism is not a monolith.

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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.

Explain to me how Israel ends and Jews live in a new democracy.

Where does that democracy exist? Who runs it?

Oh come on, it will be like one of the other democracies in the Middle East that protects religious minorities. You know, like Yemen, oh wait . . . like Iraq . . . never mind, like Saudi Arabia . . . hmm... Egypt? Libya?

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Since my great grandfather was present at the UN conferences and argued for a multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy. Yes that is what it means, Palestinians consist of 2 religions, Israel of one, who is more diverse??? The original zionists were not religious jews, that is what they wanted as well- a secular democracy. Until the Yom Kippur war, jews living in morrocco, Iran and turkey stayed there, none of them got up and moved. hell, I grew up in Potomac and as far as I can tell, the jewish community of Iran stayed there until 1979 and some still have relatives there. Also it doesnt matter what slogans are shouted- the incontrovertible FACT is that religious states are backwards and illiberal and all states including the state that houses the Ka'aba should be secular and secularism is superior to any and all religious run government policies. A separation of religion and government is a superior form of government and should be adopted all over the world, it would end countless suffering for all of the human race, probably animals and plants too.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.

That is not what all Jews believe.

Yes it is. Show me any Jew who says otherwise, outside of maybe ultra-Orthodox.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Palestinians will never be returning to that land as long as Israel is a Jewish state.

The only way to "return" is to eradicate Israel.

So you take your pick -- a two-state solution that accepts Israel or ongoing war and occupation.

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

Terming something as collateral damage doesn’t mean their lives don’t matter.

They didn't matter enough to prevent the primary damage from taking place. So, ultimately, it does mean their lives don't matter. Everything and everyone else must take a backseat to Israel's blood revenge.

You do realize this happens in every war, right?

When it does, it's considered a war crime. And this was.

It’s actually not.

“ Collateral damage is an accepted consequence of warfare. The law of armed conflict (LOAC) permits soldiers to carry out attacks against military objectives with the knowledge that civilians will be killed, provided the attack is consistent with the requirements of the principle of proportionality.”

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/collateral-damage-innocent-bystanders-war/#:~:text=Collateral%20damage%20is%20an%20accepted,of%20the%20principle%20of%20proportionality.

The bombing could only be condsidered proportional if you think Christian lives don't matter. To everyone else, this was a war crime.

That’s not what proportionality means.

Actually, it is. And the fact that you can't state what proportionality means, and can only say something isn't so you can justify innocent civilian deaths, shows you don't know what proportionality means. Or, maybe you just don't care about Christian lives.

DP.

You're making things up. Here's the definition of proportionality (spoiler: it bears no relationship whatsoever to your point):

Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Since my great grandfather was present at the UN conferences and argued for a multi-ethnic, multi-religious democracy. Yes that is what it means, Palestinians consist of 2 religions, Israel of one, who is more diverse??? The original zionists were not religious jews, that is what they wanted as well- a secular democracy. Until the Yom Kippur war, jews living in morrocco, Iran and turkey stayed there, none of them got up and moved. hell, I grew up in Potomac and as far as I can tell, the jewish community of Iran stayed there until 1979 and some still have relatives there. Also it doesnt matter what slogans are shouted- the incontrovertible FACT is that religious states are backwards and illiberal and all states including the state that houses the Ka'aba should be secular and secularism is superior to any and all religious run government policies. A separation of religion and government is a superior form of government and should be adopted all over the world, it would end countless suffering for all of the human race, probably animals and plants too.

You are blabbering and it’s pointless to respond, but I guess I’ll repeat again that 25% of Israelis aren’t Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Palestinians will never be returning to that land as long as Israel is a Jewish state.

The only way to "return" is to eradicate Israel.

So you take your pick -- a two-state solution that accepts Israel or ongoing war and occupation.

Exactly this.

So many of the pro-Palestinian posters here hide the fact that the only way to achieve their goals is the elimination of Israel.

It's a vile game.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

+1

🤣 The naïveté is breathtaking.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.

That is not what all Jews believe.

Yes it is. Show me any Jew who says otherwise, outside of maybe ultra-Orthodox.

The two sentences you wrote are contradictory. Do you not see that? The ultra-Orthodox are not some small irrelevant group.