Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like the Pope to visit. People need to start talking about peace, not vengeance.

Do you really think Jews or Muslims care about the Pope?

What is he gonna do?

When Pope John Paul II visited Bethlehem, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians came to see him. I don’t know about Jews, but Muslims and Christians revere and respect the Pope as the leader of a large percentage of Christians globally.

Wow, you know nothing about Jews then.

We don’t care for the Pope. For one, he’s the head of a Church that blamed us for killing Jesus, which is the reason we were slaughtered for hundreds of years. Not our fav institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?

It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.

Arafat could’ve countered. The deal involved 95% of the 1967 borders, but if he didn’t like some of the terms, he could’ve proposed something else. He didn’t.

Incorrect. The offers are a matter of public record. You can go read what was offered instead of just reciting Israeli propaganda.

There were no written proposals. Everything was verbal. Stop lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?

It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.

Arafat could’ve countered. The deal involved 95% of the 1967 borders, but if he didn’t like some of the terms, he could’ve proposed something else. He didn’t.

Incorrect. The offers are a matter of public record. You can go read what was offered instead of just reciting Israeli propaganda.

And what the PP said comports with those facts. PP did not say it was a good deal.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

Terming something as collateral damage doesn’t mean their lives don’t matter.

They didn't matter enough to prevent the primary damage from taking place. So, ultimately, it does mean their lives don't matter. Everything and everyone else must take a backseat to Israel's blood revenge.

You do realize this happens in every war, right?

When it does, it's considered a war crime. And this was.

It’s actually not.

“ Collateral damage is an accepted consequence of warfare. The law of armed conflict (LOAC) permits soldiers to carry out attacks against military objectives with the knowledge that civilians will be killed, provided the attack is consistent with the requirements of the principle of proportionality.”

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/collateral-damage-innocent-bystanders-war/#:~:text=Collateral%20damage%20is%20an%20accepted,of%20the%20principle%20of%20proportionality.

The bombing could only be condsidered proportional if you think Christian lives don't matter. To everyone else, this was a war crime.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:Re-posting with fixed link.

Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

Terming something as collateral damage doesn’t mean their lives don’t matter.

They didn't matter enough to prevent the primary damage from taking place. So, ultimately, it does mean their lives don't matter. Everything and everyone else must take a backseat to Israel's blood revenge.

You do realize this happens in every war, right?

When it does, it's considered a war crime. And this was.

It’s actually not.

“ Collateral damage is an accepted consequence of warfare. The law of armed conflict (LOAC) permits soldiers to carry out attacks against military objectives with the knowledge that civilians will be killed, provided the attack is consistent with the requirements of the principle of proportionality.”

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/collateral-damage-innocent-bystanders-war/#:~:text=Collateral%20damage%20is%20an%20accepted,of%20the%20principle%20of%20proportionality.

The bombing could only be condsidered proportional if you think Christian lives don't matter. To everyone else, this was a war crime.

That’s not what proportionality means.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Arafat didn’t even counter with another offer. He walked away and Hamas took advantage of the situation by declaring the Second Intifada.

Hamas is smarter than Arafat unfortunately but they are not looking to negotiate anything at least publicly with Israel. Arafat was the Biden of the Palestinians. Useless and spoiled by wealth by the time he made it to prime time in the 90s/00s. He had billions he squandered in France when he married his beard wife at 60 years old because Hamas and Mossad was about to out him . Was already an open secret and all Palestinians loved him regardless .

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

The West Banks is 28% Jewish because of a policy of settlement and colonization. West Bank Jews are not original residents.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Arab Israelis are full citizens so calling Israel a “state for only the Jewish” is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

The squatters can do that because they are protected by a militarized state that is given cover by an even larger militarized state.

I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian. It totally ignored the right of Palestinians to return to their homes. Why would they just give that up? That was a bad deal.

Well, at least you acknowledge that the Palestinians HAD a chance for peace.

Their leadership rejected it and decided to continue their wars against Israel and its people.

They attack civilians. They lose. It sucks. Then they complain that they're suffering.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You sure that rejecting peace and a state of their own (albeit imperfect) was the prudent choice?

It isn’t my or your choice to make. They were unwilling to accept the denial of their legal rights.

What is my choice as an American is whether I continue to abet illegal settlements of Palestinian land and siege of civilians. I vote no.

Obviously it's not our choice. I was responding to PP's comment: "I would not have taken the “great deal” if I were Palestinian."

Thanks for wasting everyone's time.

As for our choice, I think I'll choose to support peace and the rights of both peoples to exist and have a state.

I will not choose to reward 75 years of aggression and hate and terrorism.

I will not support Hamas's or the Palestinian people's rejection of UN Resolution 181.

Perhaps you should be more careful in considering what you choose.

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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

nope

It’s 100% true, and Bibi knows it. That’s why he listens to the US.

And that is exactly why I will not be supporting Biden. He could have prevented the escalation, thousands of dead babies, and razing of homes. Instead he just hugged Netanyahu.

He is gormless.

You are in denial. Biden prevented more death and bought time. Ground invasion hasn’t started yet has it?

And yet 1.4 million Palestinians are homeless because US missiles have razed their homes. I don’t feel I’m denying that fact. Maybe the Israelis just prefer to do their massacres from the air.

I see, you’re not interested in thinking through this situation at all. What would you like to see happen next?

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

How does it threaten you to imagine Palestinians being free?

Do you really feel the need subject an entire population to a prison camp so you can feel safe? Do you need to bomb hospitals and schools to feel safe? How many people must die in the fight to deny basic human rights for Palestinians?

Tell us what “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” means in practice.

a single state that doesnt promote or prefer any religion over another... kind of like the one DC is the capital of. There are a lot of multiethnic, multi religious States in the world. My parents came here from a former democracy that became an "islamic republic"- no-one living in an 'insert-name of religion here' state is freer or safer or better off b/c of that. Separation of religion and government is ALWAYS a liberating and positive thing, religious republics are inherently backward and inherently illiberal. Jews and Christians and Muslims need to establish a secular state in that area and live with ppl who believe differently than them, just like we manage to do in Canada and here. Our system is superior to others,The first amendment to the US constitution is an act of brilliance and is superior to other ways of life, it is ok to admit that and other countries should copy it.

Oh sweet summer child.

You think a “Palestine will be free” slogan is meant to be a call for a multiethnic democracy?

Palestine has always been multiethnic. It is Israel and Zionism that introduced ethnic theocracy into the MidEast.

WTAF are you praddling on about?

First of all, the Middle East had plenty of theocracies before Israel.

Second, Israel is not a theocracy. It’s a unitary parliamentary republic.

Third, Israel is 20% Arab, 75% Jewish, and 5% other groups.

Palestine is:

West Bank: 70% Arab and 28% Jewish

Gaza: 98% Arab

Israel is by its basic law a state only for the Jewish people. I can’t keep up with whether being Jewish is a religion or ethnicity (seems to shift depending on what best supports Zionist aggression), but Palestine had Muslims, Jews, and Christians before the Zionists from Europe showed up and turned it into the hot mess it is today.

Thanks Europe. We can always count on you to stir up problems so you can colonize while the indigenous people fight for crumbs.

Rinse. Repeat. That is colonialism.

Palestine didn’t exist as an independent entity. It was part of the Ottoman Empire before being run by the British.

And I find it deeply offensive that you think we Jews change how we identify to achieve political purposes. We are an ethnicity that typically practices Judaism.

And show me in Israeli law that the state is only for Jews. The non-Jewish spouse of a Jew can become an Israeli citizen. 25% of Israelis are not Jewish.

Amongst Jews, there is no universal answer to what is a Jew. You are using one definition.

One can be a Jew ethnically, religiously, or both. Not hard to understand.

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“the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas. And those appalling attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people,”

According to the Israeli government this sentiment is terrorism.