Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the options on the table address half of King Farm going to Gaithersburg and the other half going to RM? I never thought it made sense to split that neighborhood.

No. And I can’t imagine that they will change it anytime soon but if they did I think it would be more likely they all would move to GHS than the other way around since RM already has more kids/closer to capacity.

So why not just swap Horizon Hill for some of the Wootton neighborhoods closer to Crown? That would fill up Crown a bit more, ease overcrowding at RM, and keep Wootton close to current enrollment levels?

That doesn’t make sense-HH isn’t anywhere closer to crown than The other neighborhoods mentioned are so again-doesn’t make geographical sense for Hh to go to Crown?

. No, move HH from RM to Wootton (where HH used to be). The Wootton neighborhoods next to Crown can go there.

Ok you are talking about if the actual Wootton building stays intact as is? I was responding if Wootton were to cease. But yeah I mean-I guess but at this point like others have stated-HH doesn’t want to go back to Wootton. And their situation is unique since they were forced out and are now comfortable and happy with their new situation. Really wouldn’t be fair to them unless they truly wanted to return.

Only the old timers who have no kids in the school system and feel betrayed want to go back to Wootton.

Funny that you think MCPS cares about fairness. Look what’s happening in Clarksburg. Families there have been redistricted again and again.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

I don't have an opinion as to the validity. But I hear clamoring about an anti-Asian discrimination (or a 'reverse discrimination') type of lawsuit. MCPS own talking points pre-2025 were about evening out demographics, so I think that could be turned into evidence that they want to combine Wootton with a less Asian/White school for public policy reasons. I don't know how the law treats these things (and personally like preferred it when there was a priority on integrating schools more than they are today so I would hope this would lose), but I think this type of case has enough evidence to be a threat to what MCPS is proposing.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the options on the table address half of King Farm going to Gaithersburg and the other half going to RM? I never thought it made sense to split that neighborhood.

No. And I can’t imagine that they will change it anytime soon but if they did I think it would be more likely they all would move to GHS than the other way around since RM already has more kids/closer to capacity.

So why not just swap Horizon Hill for some of the Wootton neighborhoods closer to Crown? That would fill up Crown a bit more, ease overcrowding at RM, and keep Wootton close to current enrollment levels?

That doesn’t make sense-HH isn’t anywhere closer to crown than The other neighborhoods mentioned are so again-doesn’t make geographical sense for Hh to go to Crown?

. No, move HH from RM to Wootton (where HH used to be). The Wootton neighborhoods next to Crown can go there.

Ok you are talking about if the actual Wootton building stays intact as is? I was responding if Wootton were to cease. But yeah I mean-I guess but at this point like others have stated-HH doesn’t want to go back to Wootton. And their situation is unique since they were forced out and are now comfortable and happy with their new situation. Really wouldn’t be fair to them unless they truly wanted to return.

Only the old timers who have no kids in the school system and feel betrayed want to go back to Wootton.

Funny that you think MCPS cares about fairness. Look what’s happening in Clarksburg. Families there have been redistricted again and again.

? never stated anything about "fairness". Point is that parents in HH who have kids in MCPS don't want to be in the Wootton cluster. There are 0 options where HH goes to Wootton. Not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

I don't have an opinion as to the validity. But I hear clamoring about an anti-Asian discrimination (or a 'reverse discrimination') type of lawsuit. MCPS own talking points pre-2025 were about evening out demographics, so I think that could be turned into evidence that they want to combine Wootton with a less Asian/White school for public policy reasons. I don't know how the law treats these things (and personally like preferred it when there was a priority on integrating schools more than they are today so I would hope this would lose), but I think this type of case has enough evidence to be a threat to what MCPS is proposing.

Wootton is the only school with an Asian-majority student population, yet it is disadvantaged in nearly every available option and that warrants formal scrutiny

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the options on the table address half of King Farm going to Gaithersburg and the other half going to RM? I never thought it made sense to split that neighborhood.

No. And I can’t imagine that they will change it anytime soon but if they did I think it would be more likely they all would move to GHS than the other way around since RM already has more kids/closer to capacity.

So why not just swap Horizon Hill for some of the Wootton neighborhoods closer to Crown? That would fill up Crown a bit more, ease overcrowding at RM, and keep Wootton close to current enrollment levels?

That doesn’t make sense-HH isn’t anywhere closer to crown than The other neighborhoods mentioned are so again-doesn’t make geographical sense for Hh to go to Crown?

. No, move HH from RM to Wootton (where HH used to be). The Wootton neighborhoods next to Crown can go there.

Ok you are talking about if the actual Wootton building stays intact as is? I was responding if Wootton were to cease. But yeah I mean-I guess but at this point like others have stated-HH doesn’t want to go back to Wootton. And their situation is unique since they were forced out and are now comfortable and happy with their new situation. Really wouldn’t be fair to them unless they truly wanted to return.

Only the old timers who have no kids in the school system and feel betrayed want to go back to Wootton.

I've noticed this - the nostalgia is deeeeeeep.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the options on the table address half of King Farm going to Gaithersburg and the other half going to RM? I never thought it made sense to split that neighborhood.

No. And I can’t imagine that they will change it anytime soon but if they did I think it would be more likely they all would move to GHS than the other way around since RM already has more kids/closer to capacity.

So why not just swap Horizon Hill for some of the Wootton neighborhoods closer to Crown? That would fill up Crown a bit more, ease overcrowding at RM, and keep Wootton close to current enrollment levels?

That doesn’t make sense-HH isn’t anywhere closer to crown than The other neighborhoods mentioned are so again-doesn’t make geographical sense for Hh to go to Crown?

. No, move HH from RM to Wootton (where HH used to be). The Wootton neighborhoods next to Crown can go there.

Ok you are talking about if the actual Wootton building stays intact as is? I was responding if Wootton were to cease. But yeah I mean-I guess but at this point like others have stated-HH doesn’t want to go back to Wootton. And their situation is unique since they were forced out and are now comfortable and happy with their new situation. Really wouldn’t be fair to them unless they truly wanted to return.

Only the old timers who have no kids in the school system and feel betrayed want to go back to Wootton.

I've noticed this - the nostalgia is deeeeeeep.

Well, 55 years is a long time for a school to exist in a location. Ordinarily, buildings are renovated in place. They aren't lifted and shifted 3 miles away and put into a new building that was promised to another group of neighborhoods, then combined with 500+ students from other neighborhoods not zoned for hat school. That kinda sounds like closing a school....

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the options on the table address half of King Farm going to Gaithersburg and the other half going to RM? I never thought it made sense to split that neighborhood.

No. And I can’t imagine that they will change it anytime soon but if they did I think it would be more likely they all would move to GHS than the other way around since RM already has more kids/closer to capacity.

So why not just swap Horizon Hill for some of the Wootton neighborhoods closer to Crown? That would fill up Crown a bit more, ease overcrowding at RM, and keep Wootton close to current enrollment levels?

That doesn’t make sense-HH isn’t anywhere closer to crown than The other neighborhoods mentioned are so again-doesn’t make geographical sense for Hh to go to Crown?

. No, move HH from RM to Wootton (where HH used to be). The Wootton neighborhoods next to Crown can go there.

Ok you are talking about if the actual Wootton building stays intact as is? I was responding if Wootton were to cease. But yeah I mean-I guess but at this point like others have stated-HH doesn’t want to go back to Wootton. And their situation is unique since they were forced out and are now comfortable and happy with their new situation. Really wouldn’t be fair to them unless they truly wanted to return.

Only the old timers who have no kids in the school system and feel betrayed want to go back to Wootton.

Funny that you think MCPS cares about fairness. Look what’s happening in Clarksburg. Families there have been redistricted again and again.

? never stated anything about "fairness". Point is that parents in HH who have kids in MCPS don't want to be in the Wootton cluster. There are 0 options where HH goes to Wootton. Not going to happen.

There's actually been a fair amount of discussion about this happening ever since RM became overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

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I don't not think Asian discrimination case stand and I am Asian. Wootton HS is picked instead of picking the other two W school mainly because it is located close to Crown HS and Wootton building is in unsafe condition. The other two W schools are more far away and they are in good shape for some years. And, Wootton HS is a MoCo public school, and it does not tie to any neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

DESTROY!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

500 would make the school 110% overcrowded to start with. Why are you ok with overcrowded school?
I don’t mind adding a neighborhood like crown which only adds 100-200 to Wootton. 500 is simply too much.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

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Anonymous wrote:Just notice that. The website did not provide much explanation just a few maps and tables. So no more holding school and the new Crown HS will be the old Wootton + Rosemont ES? That is a dramatic change and final vote will be early next year?

"Over my d body" is what protesters said