Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both seem like deeply disturbed people who brought out the worst in each other.

I think the problem with the op-ed is that Heard lied by omission. She wasn't honest about the part she played in their dynamic. But that doesn't mean she lied about her characterization of Depp's behavior during the marriage and it doesn't exonerate him from responsibility for his part in the crazy. She simply excluded from her argument the evidence of her own crazy behavior or counter-arguments that would have painted the more complex picture we're seeing play out now in court.

To those of you who know the law, is it still defamation if the op-ed was technically accurate but still misleading by way of omission? That seems like a really hard needle to thread. Most op-eds ignore counter-arguments and rebuttals.

Honestly, I think he wins even if he loses. Even if the court finds against him on defamation, he's proved the point that his marriage was a complicated sh*tshow and that he and Heard should most certainly never be in the same room again, but that doesn't mean he should never be allowed to work again because he's some sort of habitual abuser. I expect that over the next year or two we'll see him do some low-budget, critically-acclaimed art films, maybe trip through rehab, and then he'll be back where he was before the op-ed.

Agree with all of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both seem like deeply disturbed people who brought out the worst in each other.

I think the problem with the op-ed is that Heard lied by omission. She wasn't honest about the part she played in their dynamic. But that doesn't mean she lied about her characterization of Depp's behavior during the marriage and it doesn't exonerate him from responsibility for his part in the crazy. She simply excluded from her argument the evidence of her own crazy behavior or counter-arguments that would have painted the more complex picture we're seeing play out now in court.

To those of you who know the law, is it still defamation if the op-ed was technically accurate but still misleading by way of omission? That seems like a really hard needle to thread. Most op-eds ignore counter-arguments and rebuttals.

Honestly, I think he wins even if he loses. Even if the court finds against him on defamation, he's proved the point that his marriage was a complicated sh*tshow and that he and Heard should most certainly never be in the same room again, but that doesn't mean he should never be allowed to work again because he's some sort of habitual abuser. I expect that over the next year or two we'll see him do some low-budget, critically-acclaimed art films, maybe trip through rehab, and then he'll be back where he was before the op-ed.

As PP's have noted, this may have been the driving force behind the lawsuit. Maybe he didn't feel he had any other way of getting the "truth"/evidence and testimony against her out there. If he would have spoken out in an interview/book, I guess he would have run the risk of having her sue him for defamation first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was sexually and emotionally abused in a past relationship. If I had to go to court with my ex, I would not be able to look at him and I would be completely stressed out and have anxiety the whole time. If I were to cry, I’d have real tears flowing down my face. She is full of crap.

Depp is not all innocent but I think she has a few more screws loose than him.

Everyone is different. I *did* face my abuser in court and looked him directly in the eye. How dare you say that someone is "full of crap" just because they behaved differently than you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I could never be on this jury. I found Depp's testimony about growing up abused both triggering and therapeutic. My mom is a less extreme version of his who stuck to verbal and emotional, but not physical abuse. I believed every word of that and understand why as an adult he still tried to please her be "close." I think he repeated the patter with Amber and became like his father. i got help to make sure I did not repeat my parent's relationship. I do think Depp coped with substance abuse and under the influence probably became abusive and may not even remember. I see them both as likely perpetrators and victims.

There is another take on his childhood. Narcissists are a product of abuse during childhood. The way a young mind copes with a trauma is to invent themselves as a perfect person, to only see themselves as a victim later in life. They strive so much to please the abuser that they become the abuser, as nothing can touch them then. In their own minds, they truly are victims.
NPD person perceived anyone who disagrees with him/her as a stupid, evil, unreasonable person. When their narc supply, that is a person they abuse non stop to boost their ego, rebels, they insult, put down and even physically abuse. The convince everyone around them that this person is crazy, insane, look how nice I am. SO, yes, NPD persons groom their narc supply, their victim. This is, most likely, why he can't drop it, his whole person is built on lies, that he is the best. Look at the trial? He will not stop until he totally humiliates her.
They both might be bad, but that performance he put prior to today? Magnificent Narc charm propaganda, he is so nice, he would never do any of it. But, come on people, she was 22, you do not become a magnificent nard abuser of a superstar at 22.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was sexually and emotionally abused in a past relationship. If I had to go to court with my ex, I would not be able to look at him and I would be completely stressed out and have anxiety the whole time. If I were to cry, I’d have real tears flowing down my face. She is full of crap.

Depp is not all innocent but I think she has a few more screws loose than him.

WOW! Wow for you. Hypocrite, no? So, you were abused by a man, yet you are blaming a woman saying she was abused by a powerful man? We have video of him slamming things, yelling, being a total abuser, but the worse we can say, is that once she got it she gave it as good as she got it. But, that is no ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was sexually and emotionally abused in a past relationship. If I had to go to court with my ex, I would not be able to look at him and I would be completely stressed out and have anxiety the whole time. If I were to cry, I’d have real tears flowing down my face. She is full of crap.

Depp is not all innocent but I think she has a few more screws loose than him.

WOW! Wow for you. Hypocrite, no? So, you were abused by a man, yet you are blaming a woman saying she was abused by a powerful man? We have video of him slamming things, yelling, being a total abuser, but the worse we can say, is that once she got it she gave it as good as she got it. But, that is no ok?

Pooping in his bed, cutting off his finger, taunting him and videotaping him, hitting him... Such an angel! Clearly she is the abuser.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m separating from my husband, a man who is a drug addiction, alcoholic, and abusive as hell. And also very charming. He can be funny. He can seem caring.

This thread exemplifies everything I fear about the way that women - or people, generally - in abusive relationships are treated when they come forward. Doubted. Judged on whether or not they cry at the right time. Accused of lying because the abuser seems like a nice guy (hint: most abusers do).

1. Why did you marry him in the first place?



2. Why do you care what people think? Just divorce him and move on -- he sounds like a terrible person.

I am divorcing him. Separating is legally the first step. I don’t care what people think. I’m pointing out that people like you and others on this forum immediately attack the woman in the scenario (see your first question). I married him because like. Any abusive narcissistic people, my husband was very sweet, charming, manipulative. These type of abusers are hard to spot at first, especially if you’re not someone who is well versed in narcissistic abuse cycles. Your first question is just a form of victim blaming. Sickening.

Yet you’re here attacking the man who was abused by the woman. That’s pretty sickening.

[Anonymous]

Accusing her of enticing stewardesses to flirt with her, destroying property around her in an attempt to cower and intimidate her, escalating abuse to slapping her and hitting her, making her nose bleed, bruising her, humiliating her, doing a cavity search on her when he was drunk and high. Hmmm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

I took it to mean he didn't want to feed the narcissist. She kept looking at the jury and at him, and it was creepy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to believe Heard and I do. But I think she's the type of personality that drives this type of abusive, erratic, possessive behavior. She's an instigator who turns around and cries help. That's not to say he isn't at fault but she's also at fault.

Jennifer Grey also said in her book that Johnny was possessive and jealous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

This is a very bad read. He’s likely made a conscious decision not to look at her or he has been counseled not to. It could appear he’s intimidating her or staring her down to a jury. Additionally, many victims find it difficult to look their abusers in the eye.

You yourself have a very bad read on this. Sure maybe he's been counseled not to look at her, but he doesn't have to cover his eyes completely so you can't see what he's thinking. He doesn't want the jury to see that. So he's probably either enraged or, as PP said, really ashamed and sort of wondering if she doesn't have a point. He is completely hiding what he's feeling, and I don't trust him.

He might be annoyed and it wouldn't look good to the jury. She's been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. She has stated she had anxiety, felt jealous and had eating disorders. She's had some mental problems and probably still has some.

Borderlines lie. They are never wrong. Some of what she says and how she says it is exactly like a borderline.

They also copy people...Her wearing those 3-piece suits like Depp does is pretty weird. She's been copying people's hairstyles and clothing choices for the whole trial.

This is what I know:

She demanded a Ranger Rover and several penthouses from Depp.
She gave Depp a knife that said "hasta la muerta" (until death).
She said he didn't want her to show skin, but he has a tattoo of her showing skin on his arm.
She said he cut her lip, but she chews her own lips (can look at photos from this very trial).
She tried to hide her face when having a man over to the penthouses owned by Johnny Depp. You can see this on the security camera footage.
She said Depp didn't want her to work while it appears he helped her to get Aquaman.
Elon Musk was photographed with a shiner while with Heard.
Heard did not pay the $7M to the ACLU and somehow got Musk to pay part of it.

You can't really understand life with a borderline until you've experienced it.

Bottom line? The ACLU emails clearly show that the Op Ed was about Depp. Heard wrote in an email she wanted it to be "spicy." In addition, there's no other reason the Post or the ACLU would have wanted to publish it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I could never be on this jury. I found Depp's testimony about growing up abused both triggering and therapeutic. My mom is a less extreme version of his who stuck to verbal and emotional, but not physical abuse. I believed every word of that and understand why as an adult he still tried to please her be "close." I think he repeated the patter with Amber and became like his father. i got help to make sure I did not repeat my parent's relationship. I do think Depp coped with substance abuse and under the influence probably became abusive and may not even remember. I see them both as likely perpetrators and victims.

There is another take on his childhood. Narcissists are a product of abuse during childhood. The way a young mind copes with a trauma is to invent themselves as a perfect person, to only see themselves as a victim later in life. They strive so much to please the abuser that they become the abuser, as nothing can touch them then. In their own minds, they truly are victims.
NPD person perceived anyone who disagrees with him/her as a stupid, evil, unreasonable person. When their narc supply, that is a person they abuse non stop to boost their ego, rebels, they insult, put down and even physically abuse. The convince everyone around them that this person is crazy, insane, look how nice I am. SO, yes, NPD persons groom their narc supply, their victim. This is, most likely, why he can't drop it, his whole person is built on lies, that he is the best. Look at the trial? He will not stop until he totally humiliates her.
They both might be bad, but that performance he put prior to today? Magnificent Narc charm propaganda, he is so nice, he would never do any of it. But, come on people, she was 22, you do not become a magnificent nard abuser of a superstar at 22.

I see her humiliating him by bringing up that security guards had to clean up Depp's poop.

I still think she "cries" fake tears.

[Anonymous]

She's totally acting on that stand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She's totally acting on that stand.

NO way, she's a bit cray, cray but there are TOO MANY incidents she recalled.

He was too fcked up to remember anything.

He was mentally abusive and all his YES people chose to look the other way.

He's a druggy.

[Anonymous]

Against cocaine but she wanted a drug “cuddle puddle” at the wedding.