Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

[Anonymous]

When did she start doing alcohol and drugs?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

This is a very bad read. He’s likely made a conscious decision not to look at her or he has been counseled not to. It could appear he’s intimidating her or staring her down to a jury. Additionally, many victims find it difficult to look their abusers in the eye.

You yourself have a very bad read on this. Sure maybe he's been counseled not to look at her, but he doesn't have to cover his eyes completely so you can't see what he's thinking. He doesn't want the jury to see that. So he's probably either enraged or, as PP said, really ashamed and sort of wondering if she doesn't have a point. He is completely hiding what he's feeling, and I don't trust him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did she start doing alcohol and drugs?

This will likely be asked on cross. Interested in seeing how her cross will go.

[Anonymous]

It would look better to him if he just looked blankly off into the distance and just shook his head sometimes. Instead he's completely rolling up into a ball like a roly poly bug, and I think he is hiding his shame and regret.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

This is a very bad read. He’s likely made a conscious decision not to look at her or he has been counseled not to. It could appear he’s intimidating her or staring her down to a jury. Additionally, many victims find it difficult to look their abusers in the eye.

You yourself have a very bad read on this. Sure maybe he's been counseled not to look at her, but he doesn't have to cover his eyes completely so you can't see what he's thinking. He doesn't want the jury to see that. So he's probably either enraged or, as PP said, really ashamed and sort of wondering if she doesn't have a point. He is completely hiding what he's feeling, and I don't trust him.

You know, is everyone on this goddamned site such an asshole at every little remark because they were unloved as children? Are you that pathetically insecure? I guarantee you he has been told not to stare at her. And if looking down helps him control his anger if she’s up there lying, then that’s the right decision. I don’t know what you expect but I suspect if he looked at her you’d be in here growing about how rage-filled and intimidating he obviously is.

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Those dramatic signs and pauses!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m separating from my husband, a man who is a drug addiction, alcoholic, and abusive as hell. And also very charming. He can be funny. He can seem caring.

This thread exemplifies everything I fear about the way that women - or people, generally - in abusive relationships are treated when they come forward. Doubted. Judged on whether or not they cry at the right time. Accused of lying because the abuser seems like a nice guy (hint: most abusers do).

1. Why did you marry him in the first place?



2. Why do you care what people think? Just divorce him and move on -- he sounds like a terrible person.

I am divorcing him. Separating is legally the first step. I don’t care what people think. I’m pointing out that people like you and others on this forum immediately attack the woman in the scenario (see your first question). I married him because like. Any abusive narcissistic people, my husband was very sweet, charming, manipulative. These type of abusers are hard to spot at first, especially if you’re not someone who is well versed in narcissistic abuse cycles. Your first question is just a form of victim blaming. Sickening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

Agree with this. I also find it interesting that so many critical of Heard are focusing on the most superficial elements of her testimony - she’s not crying the right way, her make up isn’t right, she looks around the room. It’s the most bizarre reaction to her testimony and speaks volumes about why women are so hesitant to speak up about their experiences with assault and domestic violence and abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

This is a very bad read. He’s likely made a conscious decision not to look at her or he has been counseled not to. It could appear he’s intimidating her or staring her down to a jury. Additionally, many victims find it difficult to look their abusers in the eye.

You yourself have a very bad read on this. Sure maybe he's been counseled not to look at her, but he doesn't have to cover his eyes completely so you can't see what he's thinking. He doesn't want the jury to see that. So he's probably either enraged or, as PP said, really ashamed and sort of wondering if she doesn't have a point. He is completely hiding what he's feeling, and I don't trust him.

You know, is everyone on this goddamned site such an asshole at every little remark because they were unloved as children? Are you that pathetically insecure? I guarantee you he has been told not to stare at her. And if looking down helps him control his anger if she’s up there lying, then that’s the right decision. I don’t know what you expect but I suspect if he looked at her you’d be in here growing about how rage-filled and intimidating he obviously is.

Wow, why are you so angry at me? Do a little click above this comment and take a look at the history of this interaction -- I made the original comment here. You said I (or a PP who agreed with me) had a very bad read on why he was looking away (and covering his eyes etc). Then I sent the same language back at you and told you you have a very bad read on this. I didn't insult you. I just explained my interpretation of his face covering. Now you came back and called me an a!!!!le who wasn't loved as a child and pathetically insecure. Wut? Holy overreaction, batman. My opinion is just as valid as yours, fellow anonymous person on the internet.

(I was loved very much as a child fwiw. My parents were awesome.)

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I want to believe Heard and I do. But I think she's the type of personality that drives this type of abusive, erratic, possessive behavior. She's an instigator who turns around and cries help. That's not to say he isn't at fault but she's also at fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to believe Heard and I do. But I think she's the type of personality that drives this type of abusive, erratic, possessive behavior. She's an instigator who turns around and cries help. That's not to say he isn't at fault but she's also at fault.

Two people who should never have come together.

[Anonymous]

I was sexually and emotionally abused in a past relationship. If I had to go to court with my ex, I would not be able to look at him and I would be completely stressed out and have anxiety the whole time. If I were to cry, I’d have real tears flowing down my face. She is full of crap.

Depp is not all innocent but I think she has a few more screws loose than him.

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She did testify that sitting there and listening to this trial was the hardest thing she had ever done.

I don't know exactly how I would emote if I had to do this. This reminds me of discussions about how women who were assaulted or raped testify on stand -- they were criticized for a long time for not showing enough real emotion, so people assumed their testimony wasn't real. Problem was they were traumatized so didn't always show emotion the same way as others do.

It's funny how we're judging them, a couple of actors, over how they are emoting on stand and at their own tables. I'm the PP above who thinks Depp is hiding his face and doesn't want the jury to see how he really feels because he's ashamed. Heard was criticized for not showing the right emotions when he was testifying, too. But she WAS showing her face and she did sometimes look at him. If her testimony would make him so angry that he would lash out, that's important, too -- to me it sort of shows what she's saying is true and he can't control his temper around her, even now. If he thinks she's such a lying liar that he is suing her, why would he be so driven to anger if he hears her lying? He shouldn't be having problems controlling his anger at this point. Like, is he punching holes in his hotel room walls, too, even now?

[Anonymous]

They both seem like deeply disturbed people who brought out the worst in each other.

I think the problem with the op-ed is that Heard lied by omission. She wasn't honest about the part she played in their dynamic. But that doesn't mean she lied about her characterization of Depp's behavior during the marriage and it doesn't exonerate him from responsibility for his part in the crazy. She simply excluded from her argument the evidence of her own crazy behavior or counter-arguments that would have painted the more complex picture we're seeing play out now in court.

To those of you who know the law, is it still defamation if the op-ed was technically accurate but still misleading by way of omission? That seems like a really hard needle to thread. Most op-eds ignore counter-arguments and rebuttals.

Honestly, I think he wins even if he loses. Even if the court finds against him on defamation, he's proved the point that his marriage was a complicated sh*tshow and that he and Heard should most certainly never be in the same room again, but that doesn't mean he should never be allowed to work again because he's some sort of habitual abuser. I expect that over the next year or two we'll see him do some low-budget, critically-acclaimed art films, maybe trip through rehab, and then he'll be back where he was before the op-ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know. This thread seems full of people very heavily invested in Depp being the hero and he certainly doesn't come off that way to me. Seems likely to me that he was on a bunch of drugs etc. and doesn't remember some of the terrible things he did, and also lines up with my experience of someone like this in my own life.

I thought he looked genuinely regretful during some of her testimony. Like he thought, maybe she had a point about them having been deeply in love, and then his paranoia (due to the drugs or whatever) about her encouraging stewardesses and the like -- and his abusive behavior in reaction to that paranoia -- really ruined things. He was covering his eyes and looking down and seemed very tense. I thought he looked ashamed and sad and tense.

That has been my read of the situation as well. As she is speaking he can't look at her. He looks embarrassed and ashamed.

This is a very bad read. He’s likely made a conscious decision not to look at her or he has been counseled not to. It could appear he’s intimidating her or staring her down to a jury. Additionally, many victims find it difficult to look their abusers in the eye.

You yourself have a very bad read on this. Sure maybe he's been counseled not to look at her, but he doesn't have to cover his eyes completely so you can't see what he's thinking. He doesn't want the jury to see that. So he's probably either enraged or, as PP said, really ashamed and sort of wondering if she doesn't have a point. He is completely hiding what he's feeling, and I don't trust him.

You know, is everyone on this goddamned site such an asshole at every little remark because they were unloved as children? Are you that pathetically insecure? I guarantee you he has been told not to stare at her. And if looking down helps him control his anger if she’s up there lying, then that’s the right decision. I don’t know what you expect but I suspect if he looked at her you’d be in here growing about how rage-filled and intimidating he obviously is.

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He’s coloring. Probably a way to keep busy so he doesn’t react.