Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charlie wasn’t a public official.

Charlie wasn’t a candidate for public office.

Charlie wasn’t a corporate executive, supposedly personally “responsible” for any negative effects of corporate policies.

Charlie wasn’t a foreign diplomat or staff to whom blame for that foreign nation’s policies could be ascribed.

No, Charlie was an advocate for his faith and his political beliefs, as well as for open and cordial debate about both. This was a political assassination at its most basic core - not because someone was angry about a policy that Charlie had enacted, or that he was currently facilitating, or that he might in the future implement - but rather for no other reason than the public expression of his ideas. He was shot because of his discussions about his beliefs and for no other reason; and that should be a wake up call for all of us, right and left.

This will not end well.

Come on now, there was nothing cordial about the way he “debated.” He argued in bad faith, always.

That doesn’t mean he deserved to be killed — quite the opposite. But let’s not pretend like he was a kind, gentle soul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If no suspect was caught by now it seems this was a professional hit. I wonder if they will ever be caught.

That would be convenient for those pushing a narrative about what type of person is responsible, e.g. Trump and every right wing pundit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is the FBI?
how long can they take to find him? they have camera alll around campus. NEED TO FIRE THE CEO guy and find out what happen

Serious question but why would the FBI investigate this? Isn’t this a job for local police? What gives FBI jurisdiction here?

Because he was a friend of the White House. Why did big/little balls beating receive special attention and an infiltration of the national guard when prior beatings, robberies, and even murders received no notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is the FBI?
how long can they take to find him? they have camera alll around campus. NEED TO FIRE THE CEO guy and find out what happen

Serious question but why would the FBI investigate this? Isn’t this a job for local police? What gives FBI jurisdiction here?

Political assassination.

You don’t know that. Nobody has taken responsibility for the shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If no suspect was caught by now it seems this was a professional hit. I wonder if they will ever be caught.

That would be convenient for those pushing a narrative about what type of person is responsible, e.g. Trump and every right wing pundit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charlie wasn’t a public official.

Charlie wasn’t a candidate for public office.

Charlie wasn’t a corporate executive, supposedly personally “responsible” for any negative effects of corporate policies.

Charlie wasn’t a foreign diplomat or staff to whom blame for that foreign nation’s policies could be ascribed.

No, Charlie was an advocate for his faith and his political beliefs, as well as for open and cordial debate about both. This was a political assassination at its most basic core - not because someone was angry about a policy that Charlie had enacted, or that he was currently facilitating, or that he might in the future implement - but rather for no other reason than the public expression of his ideas. He was shot because of his discussions about his beliefs and for no other reason; and that should be a wake up call for all of us, right and left.

This will not end well.

Oh really? How about the children who were shot at their high school yesterday? Was that an assassination as well?

People are calling this a political assassination before even knowing anything about the killer. It’s just as likely this was some random lunatic with a gun. And before you say, oh no, random lunatics aren’t sharpshooters, one of the first mass shooters in the US was a lunatic sharpshooter killing random people on a college campus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

You might think Charlie Kirk isn’t random but he kind of is. All of us are statistics with these kinds of numbers.

This shooting is more than anything, the result of guns everywhere in everyone’s hands. No one is safe in this environment.

[Anonymous]

Welcome to the Weimar Republic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If no suspect was caught by now it seems this was a professional hit. I wonder if they will ever be caught.

That would be convenient for those pushing a narrative about what type of person is responsible, e.g. Trump and every right wing pundit.

This is particularly true when the ADL, in it's 2025 extremism report headlines it with "All extremist-related murders in 2024 were committed by right-wing extremists".

Given the current state of affairs, I would find it hard to swallow if some "conservative" were to rage on that the ADL is some cabal of loonie, radical leftists.

https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-data-shows-extremist-related-murders-set-increase-2025-despite-third

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the Weimar Republic

+1 I fear the direction this is headed down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the Weimar Republic

+1 I fear the direction this is headed down

Can you history buffs provide us with a little more context?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The political violence in our country in just the past couple years is staggering! Trump assassination attempt, United healthcare, Minnesota, now Utah. I don’t think it’s about either party, really, but indicative of disgust with a political system that appears to mostly favor billionaires and does not respond to the needs of most people. People feel powerless and that they have nothing to lose. It is like the 1960’s again but the outcome is still unclear.

There have been quite a few politically motivated attacks in the last decade.

Here’s a partial list of attacks since 2020:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-growing-list-of-political-violence-in-the-u-s

It omits the shootings that left federal Judge Esther Salas’s son dead and husband critically injured and the bombs planted at the DNC Headquarters on J6.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The political violence in our country in just the past couple years is staggering! Trump assassination attempt, United healthcare, Minnesota, now Utah. I don’t think it’s about either party, really, but indicative of disgust with a political system that appears to mostly favor billionaires and does not respond to the needs of most people. People feel powerless and that they have nothing to lose. It is like the 1960’s again but the outcome is still unclear.

There have been quite a few politically motivated attacks in the last decade.

Here’s a partial list of attacks since 2020:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-growing-list-of-political-violence-in-the-u-s

It omits the shootings that left federal Judge Esther Salas’s son dead and husband critically injured and the bombs planted at the DNC Headquarters on J6.

There was also a right winger who parked a truck of explosives by the Capitol on J6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Charlie wasn’t a public official.

Charlie wasn’t a candidate for public office.

Charlie wasn’t a corporate executive, supposedly personally “responsible” for any negative effects of corporate policies.

Charlie wasn’t a foreign diplomat or staff to whom blame for that foreign nation’s policies could be ascribed.

No, Charlie was an advocate for his faith and his political beliefs, as well as for open and cordial debate about both. This was a political assassination at its most basic core - not because someone was angry about a policy that Charlie had enacted, or that he was currently facilitating, or that he might in the future implement - but rather for no other reason than the public expression of his ideas. He was shot because of his discussions about his beliefs and for no other reason; and that should be a wake up call for all of us, right and left.

This will not end well.

How do you know? You have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the Weimar Republic

Don’t you mean “so long”? This is when the Republic fell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Welcome to the Weimar Republic

+1 I fear the direction this is headed down

Can you history buffs provide us with a little more context?

It was the government prior to Nazi Germany. It was lead mostly by a weak and passive liberal party. There was a slew of political killings, Hitler was then elected in, then parliament (reichtag) was burned to the ground and communists were blamed, and the Nazi Party took full power afterwards.