Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Skinny doesn't mean healthy. My skinny SIL has cancer and my friend's model thin DD has diabetes. I could go on and on.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Exactly just because you move all day does not mean the English muffins with butter is okay. It is an unhealthy food choice even if you think you will burn it off. Part of being a trainer is knowing how to eat clean. You can’t out train a bad diet. You might not gain weight but your body is being fed junk food thus lack of appropriate nutrients.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Yep. I just posted that. Had to step away for a while and came back to... well you saw it.

Child abuse is not a moral failing

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Anonymous wrote:Over eating and under eating are both eating disorders. Take everything you know about anorexia and bulimia and also apply those control issues to over eating.

Anorexics know they are not making healthy choices, but we never tell them to just have the will power and discipline to eat. Nor do we tell them they are immoral or a failure for not maintaining a healthy relationship with food. It's a complex issue... multi-facetted. Same goes for over eating.

Then there are psychological, environmental, and social factors that may contribute to the development of anorexia.

Many experts think that anorexia is part of an unconscious attempt to come to terms with unresolved conflicts or painful childhood experiences. While sexual abuse has been shown to be a factor in the development of bulimia, it is not associated with the development of anorexia.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/anorexia-nervosa/understanding-anorexia-basics

If you can be kind and recognize that under eating is a disorder, then surely you can be kind to those who handle the same issues in an opposite manner.

Fair point.

Sure but that's not remotely what OP was saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Over eating and under eating are both eating disorders. Take everything you know about anorexia and bulimia and also apply those control issues to over eating.

Anorexics know they are not making healthy choices, but we never tell them to just have the will power and discipline to eat. Nor do we tell them they are immoral or a failure for not maintaining a healthy relationship with food. It's a complex issue... multi-facetted. Same goes for over eating.

Then there are psychological, environmental, and social factors that may contribute to the development of anorexia.

Many experts think that anorexia is part of an unconscious attempt to come to terms with unresolved conflicts or painful childhood experiences. While sexual abuse has been shown to be a factor in the development of bulimia, it is not associated with the development of anorexia.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/anorexia-nervosa/understanding-anorexia-basics

If you can be kind and recognize that under eating is a disorder, then surely you can be kind to those who handle the same issues in an opposite manner.

Yes, where is the moral judgement for people with anorexia?

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Someone with the discipline to exercise 2+ hours day can afford the extra calories. A sedentary person cannot. How is this not clear?

All it says is that that person has no discipline and is a hypocrite when it comes to food. Why not eat something healthy?

You just don’t get it. An English Muffin (carbs), butter (Fat), and jelly (fruit/sugar) are exactly what my body needed. I added some protein (Turkey) when I ate the second one. They are healthy for me today. As a CPT, I understand the relationship (really, the chemistry) between food and exercise. At 114 pounds, I need carbs for energy, fat to hold on to calories, sugar so that I can teach another class in an hour. Protein to rebuild muscle. When I coach clients we spend a lot of time talking about eating for performance, whether that’s a work out or just daily living. If your life doesn’t look like mine, our dietary needs are going to be very different. A person who sits on her ass all day shouldn’t eat two English Muffins with butter for breakfast. My body, however, needs that fuel. I have three more classes to teach, plus a personal training session tonight. It’s work for me to keep calories on.

Also, carbs are not bad. It’s way past time for the anti-carb bullshi7 to go away.

I thought people were being ridiculous in criticizing you, although you do seem quite sanctimonious, but now I think you are a sociopath. In what universe does a non sociopathic person put TURKEY on an jellied english muffin???

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Anonymous wrote:I step away for a couple of hours and the thread is overrun by those that are meant to read the thread, proving me right. They are here in force showing their true colors. Yet, they objected to being called out and bullied the way they are bullying the overweight on the first few pages.
Thanks!

You are quite the victim, aren't you?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s about morality but is about discipline at a certain point. I say this as a person who has often lacked the discipline to make healthy dietary choices and make time for adequate exercise. I know when I reach for the junk and relax on the couch instead of going for a walk that I’m making lazy choices. I always had excuses— work, kids, commute, difficulty managing stress, a variety of health issues—but it really did come down to lack of discipline. Trying to turn over a new leaf, but it is challenging after a decade of increasingly bad habits. That’s on no one but me.

A lot of overweight people have plenty of discipline in other areas of their lives -- at work, at school, learning a musical instrument, managing a difficult medical regimen, etc. It's easy to say that fat people have some deep character flaw, but the truth might be that everyone has a limited amount of willpower and energy, and some people choose to use it on their weight, and others use it in other areas. Yes, we can develop and choose to break bad habits, but having bad habits doesn't make you a bad person, and not having some particular bad habit doesn't make you morally superior.

Very well said.

Exactly. Some overweight people have super successful careers and run well organized households juggling a million things.

Some thin people live in chaos and were never able to launch a career. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. You can't be perfect at EVERYTHING.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all not realize that many morbidly obese also have mental health issues as well? Eating is a coping mechanism for dealing with or not dealing with circumstances beyond their control (neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse).

In addition to learning about fueling their body with healthy food, being alert and present enough to seek out physical activity (depression is a hell of a bag to work through), successful weight loss often includes mental health appoints, therapy, addiction issues. Additionally poverty and lack of a stable food supply, even as a child who has transitioned to an adult with a stable food supply carries food issues in their life.

Back to the old born on third base saying. Many of you cannot even comprehend the lives other people have had to live. Choices they didn't make for themselves, sometimes starting at a very young age, before they can even express to a safe adult what is or has happened (younger than Kindergarten).

Being over weight isn't a moral failing. It isn't even always a discipline failing. It's so much more complex, and I encourage you to be kind to yourselves and them. Even if you are kind outwardly, be kind internally as well.

Well said. If they admitted what you just wrote, they would give up their moral superiority, which is in their head. Propagating the self-made men myth, self-responsible, when most had everything given to them on a "plate." Blame the poor, blame the overweight, blame others so you feel like you are better than them, even though most could never even survive what most of Americans survive weekly!

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Anonymous wrote:Skinny doesn't mean healthy. My skinny SIL has cancer and my friend's model thin DD has diabetes. I could go on and on.

Well science disagrees with your anecdotal evidence.

CDC and WHO basically state the same thing.

"What are common health consequences of overweight and obesity?

Raised BMI is a major risk factor for noncommunicable diseases such as:

cardiovascular diseases (mainly heart disease and stroke), which were the leading cause of death in 2012;
diabetes;
musculoskeletal disorders (especially osteoarthritis – a highly disabling degenerative disease of the joints);
some cancers (including endometrial, breast, ovarian, prostate, liver, gallbladder, kidney, and colon).
The risk for these noncommunicable diseases increases, with increases in BMI.

Childhood obesity is associated with a higher chance of obesity, premature death and disability in adulthood. But in addition to increased future risks, obese children experience breathing difficulties, increased risk of fractures, hypertension, early markers of cardiovascular disease, insulin resistance and psychological effects."


Not to mention the health care costs of obesity are staggering, and affect all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Someone with the discipline to exercise 2+ hours day can afford the extra calories. A sedentary person cannot. How is this not clear?

All it says is that that person has no discipline and is a hypocrite when it comes to food. Why not eat something healthy?

You just don’t get it. An English Muffin (carbs), butter (Fat), and jelly (fruit/sugar) are exactly what my body needed. I added some protein (Turkey) when I ate the second one. They are healthy for me today. As a CPT, I understand the relationship (really, the chemistry) between food and exercise. At 114 pounds, I need carbs for energy, fat to hold on to calories, sugar so that I can teach another class in an hour. Protein to rebuild muscle. When I coach clients we spend a lot of time talking about eating for performance, whether that’s a work out or just daily living. If your life doesn’t look like mine, our dietary needs are going to be very different. A person who sits on her ass all day shouldn’t eat two English Muffins with butter for breakfast. My body, however, needs that fuel. I have three more classes to teach, plus a personal training session tonight. It’s work for me to keep calories on.

Also, carbs are not bad. It’s way past time for the anti-carb bullshi7 to go away.

I thought people were being ridiculous in criticizing you, although you do seem quite sanctimonious, but now I think you are a sociopath. In what universe does a non sociopathic person put TURKEY on an jellied english muffin???

Definitely not trying to be sanctimonious. I’ve been a trainer for 29 years. I’m passionate about health and wellness. And I despise the fad diets and bad advise I see floating around. I think it contributes to disordered eating and poor health. Ex - Carbs. They are not bad. They will not make you fat as part of a healthy diet. Your body burns them very quickly and easily.

I ate the Turkey on the side. Just for the protein. 😂

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

I’m thin and I don’t do any of these things. I do read food labels (it certainly doesn’t take 7 hours) and make good food choices.

This. You are really making heathy eating much more complicated than it is. Just buy real food. Cook it. Don’t over eat. Stop the snacking. Move. It doesn’t need to be grass-fed free range organic, etc. My son’s favorite quick dinner when we “don’t have anything” is a can of chick peas, rinsed and warmed in microwave, topped with chopped lemons, olive oil, salt, and cumin. This makes less time and effort from me than making a box of Kraft mac and cheese. It isn’t the food industry. You have so so many options. If you don’t want to read labels, don’t. Buy produce and fresh meat and stick with mostly that. It isnt “hidden” sugar making people fat. It is people over eating all kinds of food that is obvious garbage- we all know what these things are. It isn’t the wheat bread, the yogurt, the salsa..

+1 Anyone posting on DCUM absolutely knows the truth of this, whatever excuses they might make. You can eat very simply, without much investment in time or money, and make healthy choices.

This is absolutely true, but more education needs to happen in lower socioeconomic demographics and more supportive policy changes need to happen as well (a la Michelle Obama's initiative--the poor quality food we serve our kids in schools compared to other countries is criminal). Plus significant support for those with mental health challenges. In the end, I do think investments in good physical and mental health, not thinness per se, benefit us all. It should happen both at a societal level and a personal level. There is a role for policy and a role for personal responsibility and discipline.

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87% of obese people experienced trauma

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

I’m 5’5 and 114 pounds. I need the calories. I assure you, a six miles run at 5am takes self-discipline. If I were overweight or more sedentary, my choice would have been very different. Also, I haven’t eaten the third one…yet.

The dcum mindset presented above! You can do it! "I am a yoga instructor with time to run 6 miles at 5 am and move all the time, so I can eat three muffins! This is not bcs I am not earning my own living ( cause no yoga instructor is!!!) and have all the time to work at my hobby, this is bcs I... am superior to all of you another tiny bit more not super skinny people!
That I am shallow and stupid makes no difference, I am better than you, I am better than you.. cause I am not fat."

Are you 19? Life will bring you down, no matter your age, worry not, the shallow person that has no empathy. You are likely the have no empathy PP from another thread so you don't send a text to a family member or a friend when they lose a loved one, but I order them flowers and put it in a card. Cause I am working on my bod!

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Someone with the discipline to exercise 2+ hours day can afford the extra calories. A sedentary person cannot. How is this not clear?

All it says is that that person has no discipline and is a hypocrite when it comes to food. Why not eat something healthy?

You just don’t get it. An English Muffin (carbs), butter (Fat), and jelly (fruit/sugar) are exactly what my body needed. I added some protein (Turkey) when I ate the second one. They are healthy for me today. As a CPT, I understand the relationship (really, the chemistry) between food and exercise. At 114 pounds, I need carbs for energy, fat to hold on to calories, sugar so that I can teach another class in an hour. Protein to rebuild muscle. When I coach clients we spend a lot of time talking about eating for performance, whether that’s a work out or just daily living. If your life doesn’t look like mine, our dietary needs are going to be very different. A person who sits on her ass all day shouldn’t eat two English Muffins with butter for breakfast. My body, however, needs that fuel. I have three more classes to teach, plus a personal training session tonight. It’s work for me to keep calories on.

Also, carbs are not bad. It’s way past time for the anti-carb bullshi7 to go away.

My boyfriend is an athletic trainer for a professional hockey team and has a PhD in Kinesiology. I just asked him if he would eat two to three English muffins after working out, and he laughed.