Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to be a size 4, then I was sexually assaulted and became a size 16. I was depressed, scared to go outside, and food became my friend. Everyone was worried about me. Then I discovered bulimia and laxatives and lost the weight. I look completely healthy now. Skinny. I’m not healthy, but I look the part now.

That is sad, I'm sorry. I think most people understand that poor mental health is a major factor in some cases of weight gain and in all eating disorders.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s about morality but is about discipline at a certain point. I say this as a person who has often lacked the discipline to make healthy dietary choices and make time for adequate exercise. I know when I reach for the junk and relax on the couch instead of going for a walk that I’m making lazy choices. I always had excuses— work, kids, commute, difficulty managing stress, a variety of health issues—but it really did come down to lack of discipline. Trying to turn over a new leaf, but it is challenging after a decade of increasingly bad habits. That’s on no one but me.

A lot of overweight people have plenty of discipline in other areas of their lives -- at work, at school, learning a musical instrument, managing a difficult medical regimen, etc. It's easy to say that fat people have some deep character flaw, but the truth might be that everyone has a limited amount of willpower and energy, and some people choose to use it on their weight, and others use it in other areas. Yes, we can develop and choose to break bad habits, but having bad habits doesn't make you a bad person, and not having some particular bad habit doesn't make you morally superior.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

I’m 5’5 and 114 pounds. I need the calories. I assure you, a six miles run at 5am takes self-discipline. If I were overweight or more sedentary, my choice would have been very different. Also, I haven’t eaten the third one…yet.

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Anonymous wrote:The saddest thing is when kids, teens and young people fat. This is their age to be very active, have a great metabolism, have friends, be interested in the opposite sex and have fun. Instead they are trapped in their bodies. A prison of their own making.

Or more likely a prison that was made by circumstances beyond their control.

So you think there is zero role for personal responsibility in these cases?

For kids and teens? No. Do you really think minors have full control of their diets, budgets, and activities? Come on now.

Maybe not kids but as a teen I 100% knew that if I chose chips over fruit I was making a poor choice for my health.

The point is that they might not have a choice. They model what they know, but also may have mental and emotional issues that contribute to their reliance on food. It's not your teenage upbringing, it's an entirely different life. A mentally and emotionally healthy person eats until they are full. When other issues override that feeling intake of food continues. Food is not just food to many people. You compare your lifestyle to the ones other people are living.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Someone with the discipline to exercise 2+ hours day can afford the extra calories. A sedentary person cannot. How is this not clear?

All it says is that that person has no discipline and is a hypocrite when it comes to food. Why not eat something healthy?

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

I’m 5’5 and 114 pounds. I need the calories. I assure you, a six miles run at 5am takes self-discipline. If I were overweight or more sedentary, my choice would have been very different. Also, I haven’t eaten the third one…yet.

But couldn’t you get the calories from protein and not bread? You’re pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Child abuse and Medical issues is not a moral failing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s about morality but is about discipline at a certain point. I say this as a person who has often lacked the discipline to make healthy dietary choices and make time for adequate exercise. I know when I reach for the junk and relax on the couch instead of going for a walk that I’m making lazy choices. I always had excuses— work, kids, commute, difficulty managing stress, a variety of health issues—but it really did come down to lack of discipline. Trying to turn over a new leaf, but it is challenging after a decade of increasingly bad habits. That’s on no one but me.

A lot of overweight people have plenty of discipline in other areas of their lives -- at work, at school, learning a musical instrument, managing a difficult medical regimen, etc. It's easy to say that fat people have some deep character flaw, but the truth might be that everyone has a limited amount of willpower and energy, and some people choose to use it on their weight, and others use it in other areas. Yes, we can develop and choose to break bad habits, but having bad habits doesn't make you a bad person, and not having some particular bad habit doesn't make you morally superior.

Very well said.

[Anonymous]

Over eating and under eating are both eating disorders. Take everything you know about anorexia and bulimia and also apply those control issues to over eating.

Anorexics know they are not making healthy choices, but we never tell them to just have the will power and discipline to eat. Nor do we tell them they are immoral or a failure for not maintaining a healthy relationship with food. It's a complex issue... multi-facetted. Same goes for over eating.

Then there are psychological, environmental, and social factors that may contribute to the development of anorexia.

Many experts think that anorexia is part of an unconscious attempt to come to terms with unresolved conflicts or painful childhood experiences. While sexual abuse has been shown to be a factor in the development of bulimia, it is not associated with the development of anorexia.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/anorexia-nervosa/understanding-anorexia-basics

If you can be kind and recognize that under eating is a disorder, then surely you can be kind to those who handle the same issues in an opposite manner.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

It is very telling that you attribute being normal weight to luck or eating disorder. Indeed, you are so non-judgemental and not shaming anyone yourself

I am not thin but just normal weight now but it is not because of luck. Like others said, it does take discipline. And while I eat everything, I do control my portions and choose healthy food most of the time. Is that what you call eating disorder, lol? ))

Exactly. Amazing the lengths many will go to to avoid taking any responsibility for their health, their most precious commodity. Because there is a correlation between average/thin weight and good health sorry to say.

Why is it more important for you to blame individuals for being fat than to consider whether there are big picture societal changes that could be made to help more people stay or become healthy? That's all the OP is saying.

It's not "more important" but personal responsibility plays a key role. That's not to say big picture societal changes couldn't be helpful (above all mental health support) but I don't infantilize people and suppose they're not smart and capable of making good choices for their health. I challenge you to find one person who isn't aware that a piece of fruit isn't a better choice than chips or a candy bar. Why they make poor choices might in fact be complex, but that doesn't mean they're not aware they're making them. And OP's demonizing of "skinny" people, or anecdotal evidence of women with eating disorders, hardly makes the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Over eating and under eating are both eating disorders. Take everything you know about anorexia and bulimia and also apply those control issues to over eating.

Anorexics know they are not making healthy choices, but we never tell them to just have the will power and discipline to eat. Nor do we tell them they are immoral or a failure for not maintaining a healthy relationship with food. It's a complex issue... multi-facetted. Same goes for over eating.

Then there are psychological, environmental, and social factors that may contribute to the development of anorexia.

Many experts think that anorexia is part of an unconscious attempt to come to terms with unresolved conflicts or painful childhood experiences. While sexual abuse has been shown to be a factor in the development of bulimia, it is not associated with the development of anorexia.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/eating-disorders/anorexia-nervosa/understanding-anorexia-basics

If you can be kind and recognize that under eating is a disorder, then surely you can be kind to those who handle the same issues in an opposite manner.

Fair point.

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I step away for a couple of hours and the thread is overrun by those that are meant to read the thread, proving me right. They are here in force showing their true colors. Yet, they objected to being called out and bullied the way they are bullying the overweight on the first few pages.
Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Yep. I just posted that. Had to step away for a while and came back to... well you saw it.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

It is very telling that you attribute being normal weight to luck or eating disorder. Indeed, you are so non-judgemental and not shaming anyone yourself

I am not thin but just normal weight now but it is not because of luck. Like others said, it does take discipline. And while I eat everything, I do control my portions and choose healthy food most of the time. Is that what you call eating disorder, lol? ))

Exactly. Amazing the lengths many will go to to avoid taking any responsibility for their health, their most precious commodity. Because there is a correlation between average/thin weight and good health sorry to say.

Why is it more important for you to blame individuals for being fat than to consider whether there are big picture societal changes that could be made to help more people stay or become healthy? That's all the OP is saying.

It's not "more important" but personal responsibility plays a key role. That's not to say big picture societal changes couldn't be helpful (above all mental health support) but I don't infantilize people and suppose they're not smart and capable of making good choices for their health. I challenge you to find one person who isn't aware that a piece of fruit isn't a better choice than chips or a candy bar. Why they make poor choices might in fact be complex, but that doesn't mean they're not aware they're making them. And OP's demonizing of "skinny" people, or anecdotal evidence of women with eating disorders, hardly makes the case.

I did not read OP's post as demonizing all "skinny" people; just those in the other thread who refuse to entertain any suggestion that our food industry and societal factors contribute to obesity in this country and continue to argue that overweight and obese people are lazy morons, undeserving of any compassion.

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Anonymous wrote:Please. I eat whatever I want. I love carbs and eat a ton. Just finished two English muffins with butter and jelly. Seriously thinking about eating another one. I also ran six miles this morning and taught a 60 minute hot yoga class. I work out hard. That allows me to fuel my body in delicious ways. I couldn’t be overweight if I tried because I move my body all day long.

Self-discipline. Consistent training. Respect for your body. And not taking more than your share of resources. These are the things fat people don’t understand. I’ve been a trainer for almost 30 years. I’ve heard every excuse in the world. They are all just that…excuses.

Lmaoooooooo how is it self discipline to eat 3 English muffins??????

Someone with the discipline to exercise 2+ hours day can afford the extra calories. A sedentary person cannot. How is this not clear?

All it says is that that person has no discipline and is a hypocrite when it comes to food. Why not eat something healthy?

You just don’t get it. An English Muffin (carbs), butter (Fat), and jelly (fruit/sugar) are exactly what my body needed. I added some protein (Turkey) when I ate the second one. They are healthy for me today. As a CPT, I understand the relationship (really, the chemistry) between food and exercise. At 114 pounds, I need carbs for energy, fat to hold on to calories, sugar so that I can teach another class in an hour. Protein to rebuild muscle. When I coach clients we spend a lot of time talking about eating for performance, whether that’s a work out or just daily living. If your life doesn’t look like mine, our dietary needs are going to be very different. A person who sits on her ass all day shouldn’t eat two English Muffins with butter for breakfast. My body, however, needs that fuel. I have three more classes to teach, plus a personal training session tonight. It’s work for me to keep calories on.

Also, carbs are not bad. It’s way past time for the anti-carb bullshi7 to go away.