MCSL is making Marc Elrich look like Ron Desantis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

Since you want to base it on science, please point to the statistics that have recently been released on outdoor transmission. I'll hang up and listen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

Mazel Tov to you - some of our kids are under 12 and not eligbile

[Anonymous]

And some of our under 12’s are high risk but swimming outdoors is their only sport option! I’m fine with crowds, but masks wouldn’t hurt anybody spectating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And some of our under 12’s are high risk but swimming outdoors is their only sport option! I’m fine with crowds, but masks wouldn’t hurt anybody spectating.

But how would a mask on a vaccinated person keep your high risk child safer? Completely understand masks for people not fully vaccinated but not those who have gotten the shot. I feel for you with a high risk child bc everything is opening up and it must cause anxiety but the science is behind vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And some of our under 12’s are high risk but swimming outdoors is their only sport option! I’m fine with crowds, but masks wouldn’t hurt anybody spectating.

But how would a mask on a vaccinated person keep your high risk child safer? Completely understand masks for people not fully vaccinated but not those who have gotten the shot. I feel for you with a high risk child bc everything is opening up and it must cause anxiety but the science is behind vaccines.

Vaccines are not 109% and kids do get Covid. It is not anxiety. It’s really sad how little swim parents value the health of the younger swimmers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

DP. You seem to not know very much about mental health or competitive sports. Exercise relieves depression and anxiety through multiple biological mechanisms. So does feeling a sense of purpose such as competing on a sport.

Why do you feel entitled to tell everyone else they should abide by your personal risk tolerance? The CDC had relaxed guidelines and the county had followed suit. They did so for a reason. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean no one should follow the new guidelines. Why do you think you know more than the CDC and county officials?

You seem to not understand the very important role that community spread has in changing the risks. Thankfully the people marking decisions do. You need to accept that you are very much a minority. If a swim league or any other organization is operating under national and local guidelines that happen to not match up with your personal risk tolerance, it’s on you to forego participation. PUBLIC health goes both ways. When the Covid situation was uncontrolled/dire and the strain on the healthcare system was great, many people had to do things they didn’t want to do in order to keep everyone safe. This included loss of jobs and/or salary cuts, losing childcare support, not seeing family, not getting to have proper funerals for lost loved ones, and so on. Now we are no longer on a state of public health emergency with Covid. Now we are in a situation where opening back up and reducing restrictions is on the best interest of the public as a whole. If that doesn’t work for you personally then do whatever makes you feel safe. But you cannot expect everyone else to abide by your personal assessment of risk.

I am a parent of two young kids so I do have a dog in this fight. This past year my children have only participated in activities on line with my personal risk tolerance. If I wasn’t comfortable with how a sport or activity was being handled, my kids did not do it. I didn’t call up the organization insisting that they impose rules that were stricter than CDC guidelines just so I could feel safe. This isn’t public school. It’s not mandatory. You need to get over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

DP. You seem to not know very much about mental health or competitive sports. Exercise relieves depression and anxiety through multiple biological mechanisms. So does feeling a sense of purpose such as competing on a sport.

Why do you feel entitled to tell everyone else they should abide by your personal risk tolerance? The CDC had relaxed guidelines and the county had followed suit. They did so for a reason. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean no one should follow the new guidelines. Why do you think you know more than the CDC and county officials?

You seem to not understand the very important role that community spread has in changing the risks. Thankfully the people marking decisions do. You need to accept that you are very much a minority. If a swim league or any other organization is operating under national and local guidelines that happen to not match up with your personal risk tolerance, it’s on you to forego participation. PUBLIC health goes both ways. When the Covid situation was uncontrolled/dire and the strain on the healthcare system was great, many people had to do things they didn’t want to do in order to keep everyone safe. This included loss of jobs and/or salary cuts, losing childcare support, not seeing family, not getting to have proper funerals for lost loved ones, and so on. Now we are no longer on a state of public health emergency with Covid. Now we are in a situation where opening back up and reducing restrictions is on the best interest of the public as a whole. If that doesn’t work for you personally then do whatever makes you feel safe. But you cannot expect everyone else to abide by your personal assessment of risk.

I am a parent of two young kids so I do have a dog in this fight. This past year my children have only participated in activities on line with my personal risk tolerance. If I wasn’t comfortable with how a sport or activity was being handled, my kids did not do it. I didn’t call up the organization insisting that they impose rules that were stricter than CDC guidelines just so I could feel safe. This isn’t public school. It’s not mandatory. You need to get over it.

Yes I do. If your kids have mental health issues sports help but not a cure and they need much more. Most people in this swim league are not impacted in the ways you said and if they were they would not be in private swim clubs. You can deny Covid but you are why it’s unsafe for our kids to participate. Doing things like masks given many kids are not able to be vaccinated is not unreasonable. Mine will not participate in meets. We don’t trust others behavior especially the screamers here and in the Facebook group who regularly post their eating out, travel and more and have not been impacted as you claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

DP. You seem to not know very much about mental health or competitive sports. Exercise relieves depression and anxiety through multiple biological mechanisms. So does feeling a sense of purpose such as competing on a sport.

Why do you feel entitled to tell everyone else they should abide by your personal risk tolerance? The CDC had relaxed guidelines and the county had followed suit. They did so for a reason. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean no one should follow the new guidelines. Why do you think you know more than the CDC and county officials?

You seem to not understand the very important role that community spread has in changing the risks. Thankfully the people marking decisions do. You need to accept that you are very much a minority. If a swim league or any other organization is operating under national and local guidelines that happen to not match up with your personal risk tolerance, it’s on you to forego participation. PUBLIC health goes both ways. When the Covid situation was uncontrolled/dire and the strain on the healthcare system was great, many people had to do things they didn’t want to do in order to keep everyone safe. This included loss of jobs and/or salary cuts, losing childcare support, not seeing family, not getting to have proper funerals for lost loved ones, and so on. Now we are no longer on a state of public health emergency with Covid. Now we are in a situation where opening back up and reducing restrictions is on the best interest of the public as a whole. If that doesn’t work for you personally then do whatever makes you feel safe. But you cannot expect everyone else to abide by your personal assessment of risk.

I am a parent of two young kids so I do have a dog in this fight. This past year my children have only participated in activities on line with my personal risk tolerance. If I wasn’t comfortable with how a sport or activity was being handled, my kids did not do it. I didn’t call up the organization insisting that they impose rules that were stricter than CDC guidelines just so I could feel safe. This isn’t public school. It’s not mandatory. You need to get over it.

If your kids have only been online this whole year, you’re putting them at risk. Both my kids have been in sports with zero cases on one team and none on the other since last November. Your hysteria is selfish.

[Anonymous]

My kid is a fully vaccinated coach who is happy to wear a mask if it’s actually needed, but it’s not. Lots of “it’s no big deal” to keep wearing a mask but the coaches stand out there with no shade for hours screaming at kids. Miserable and borderline unsafe in the high temps.

[Anonymous]

There is a petition on change.org “Amend MCSL Restrictive Summer Policies” if you are inclined to sign.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

DP. You seem to not know very much about mental health or competitive sports. Exercise relieves depression and anxiety through multiple biological mechanisms. So does feeling a sense of purpose such as competing on a sport.

Why do you feel entitled to tell everyone else they should abide by your personal risk tolerance? The CDC had relaxed guidelines and the county had followed suit. They did so for a reason. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean no one should follow the new guidelines. Why do you think you know more than the CDC and county officials?

You seem to not understand the very important role that community spread has in changing the risks. Thankfully the people marking decisions do. You need to accept that you are very much a minority. If a swim league or any other organization is operating under national and local guidelines that happen to not match up with your personal risk tolerance, it’s on you to forego participation. PUBLIC health goes both ways. When the Covid situation was uncontrolled/dire and the strain on the healthcare system was great, many people had to do things they didn’t want to do in order to keep everyone safe. This included loss of jobs and/or salary cuts, losing childcare support, not seeing family, not getting to have proper funerals for lost loved ones, and so on. Now we are no longer on a state of public health emergency with Covid. Now we are in a situation where opening back up and reducing restrictions is on the best interest of the public as a whole. If that doesn’t work for you personally then do whatever makes you feel safe. But you cannot expect everyone else to abide by your personal assessment of risk.

I am a parent of two young kids so I do have a dog in this fight. This past year my children have only participated in activities on line with my personal risk tolerance. If I wasn’t comfortable with how a sport or activity was being handled, my kids did not do it. I didn’t call up the organization insisting that they impose rules that were stricter than CDC guidelines just so I could feel safe. This isn’t public school. It’s not mandatory. You need to get over it.

Yes I do. If your kids have mental health issues sports help but not a cure and they need much more. Most people in this swim league are not impacted in the ways you said and if they were they would not be in private swim clubs. You can deny Covid but you are why it’s unsafe for our kids to participate. Doing things like masks given many kids are not able to be vaccinated is not unreasonable. Mine will not participate in meets. We don’t trust others behavior especially the screamers here and in the Facebook group who regularly post their eating out, travel and more and have not been impacted as you claim.

These things are perfectly legal and acceptable. Why is this a problem? Are you making up your own rules?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to hear they are reconsidering. Between 12-15 starting to get vaccinated, adults mostly vaccinated and being outdoors and in the chlorinated pool, the risk is limited and no sense keeping meets restricted if the whole county is wide open by the time the meets start based on science.

If you base it on science, we still have a duty to protect our 12 and under and the 12-15 are just starting to get vaccinated. Kids and adults are packed closely together at these meets and there is often little distancing. Look, we get it. You base your worth on your kid winning. Lets just say your kid is the winner in every race. You can now brag and the rest of us can consider participating with strict rules to keep our kids safe.

I find this response really mean spirited. I for one want my child competing bc it has been so brutal physically and mentally for them all year. Kids don't get the infection as easily and given the incredibly high inoculation rates in the county (my children are also vaccinated) I am happy to let them race. If your child is not vaccinated, just keep them out of the pool but there is no reason for your fears to run my life.

They get infected. They are more likely for it not to be severe. Your kids are probably socializing, swimming and in person school. How have they really suffered? Maybe there is more to it if your kids are having mental heal issues and your idea of help is racing vs therapy and meds.

DP. You seem to not know very much about mental health or competitive sports. Exercise relieves depression and anxiety through multiple biological mechanisms. So does feeling a sense of purpose such as competing on a sport.

Why do you feel entitled to tell everyone else they should abide by your personal risk tolerance? The CDC had relaxed guidelines and the county had followed suit. They did so for a reason. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean no one should follow the new guidelines. Why do you think you know more than the CDC and county officials?

You seem to not understand the very important role that community spread has in changing the risks. Thankfully the people marking decisions do. You need to accept that you are very much a minority. If a swim league or any other organization is operating under national and local guidelines that happen to not match up with your personal risk tolerance, it’s on you to forego participation. PUBLIC health goes both ways. When the Covid situation was uncontrolled/dire and the strain on the healthcare system was great, many people had to do things they didn’t want to do in order to keep everyone safe. This included loss of jobs and/or salary cuts, losing childcare support, not seeing family, not getting to have proper funerals for lost loved ones, and so on. Now we are no longer on a state of public health emergency with Covid. Now we are in a situation where opening back up and reducing restrictions is on the best interest of the public as a whole. If that doesn’t work for you personally then do whatever makes you feel safe. But you cannot expect everyone else to abide by your personal assessment of risk.

I am a parent of two young kids so I do have a dog in this fight. This past year my children have only participated in activities on line with my personal risk tolerance. If I wasn’t comfortable with how a sport or activity was being handled, my kids did not do it. I didn’t call up the organization insisting that they impose rules that were stricter than CDC guidelines just so I could feel safe. This isn’t public school. It’s not mandatory. You need to get over it.

Yes I do. If your kids have mental health issues sports help but not a cure and they need much more. Most people in this swim league are not impacted in the ways you said and if they were they would not be in private swim clubs. You can deny Covid but you are why it’s unsafe for our kids to participate. Doing things like masks given many kids are not able to be vaccinated is not unreasonable. Mine will not participate in meets. We don’t trust others behavior especially the screamers here and in the Facebook group who regularly post their eating out, travel and more and have not been impacted as you claim.

These things are perfectly legal and acceptable. Why is this a problem? Are you making up your own rules?

This poster appears to be a troll, he/she posts the same things in multiple threads stating that people following the CDCs current guidelines are selfish, killing kids, and are the reason that it’s not safe for their kids to do anything. He/she clearly feels a loss of control now that vaccinated people are free to return to life as they knew it pre-Covid. He/she doesn’t listen to the science about the low risk of outdoor transmission, nor do they listen to the science regarding the efficacy of the vaccines and how that makes it safe for the vaccinated to resume their lives unmasked. They are hysterical now that the guidance of health experts no long aligns with their risk assessment, so they lash out here in multiple forums with the same insults over and over toward the people following the current health guidance.

[Anonymous]

The MCSL website was updated yesterday to state that the board is looking at revising protocols given the County's recent changes to covid mandates and more info will be out later this week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a petition on change.org “Amend MCSL Restrictive Summer Policies” if you are inclined to sign.

Can you post a link?