MCSL is making Marc Elrich look like Ron Desantis

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a post on IG from a coach that all restrictions are now dropped. Back to regular meets, practices, etc. unless the particular pool decides otherwise due to their own capacity limits, rules, etc.

Me too! I am sure rules will exist at the pool level but bravo to MCSL for reconsidering given the CDC, state and county guidance.

The CDC guidance is separate for kids under 12, which is the bulk of many teams.

Our pool just announced basically everything back to pre-covid: no masks outside for anyone.

The reps are voting on a rule that would require masks I’m crowded areas at A meets. MCSL appears to be deferring to pools re B meet protocols.

It was announced tonight by MCSL that the vote was that there will be no mask mandates at any A meets. Thank Goodness! I was not looking forward to that hot mask in the 90 degree hot sun while timing.

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a post on IG from a coach that all restrictions are now dropped. Back to regular meets, practices, etc. unless the particular pool decides otherwise due to their own capacity limits, rules, etc.

Me too! I am sure rules will exist at the pool level but bravo to MCSL for reconsidering given the CDC, state and county guidance.

The CDC guidance is separate for kids under 12, which is the bulk of many teams.

Our pool just announced basically everything back to pre-covid: no masks outside for anyone.

The reps are voting on a rule that would require masks I’m crowded areas at A meets. MCSL appears to be deferring to pools re B meet protocols.

It was announced tonight by MCSL that the vote was that there will be no mask mandates at any A meets. Thank Goodness! I was not looking forward to that hot mask in the 90 degree hot sun while timing.

That’s too bad that it’s unsafe for our 12 and under but great as long as your needs are met who cares about our kids and others.

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Anonymous wrote:What about relays, divisionals etc ?

No relay carnival (or relay all stars) and divisionals is still planned as three dual meets

When would the divisional meets be if they are 3 dual meets? The MCSL calendar lists a single date for all star relays and the regular window for divisionals.
Our pool just announced no restrictions. I would assume everything is on.

DIVISIONALS 7/24 as calendar shows, but instead of 6 teams at one pool, they will be at 3 pools like a regular meet week.
I’ve heard it will be paired by dual meet results rank 1&2, 3&4, 5&6

The email said no relay carnival and they are looking into having individual all stars split across that weekend.

I wish they would have divisionals as two 3-team meets. That way you have a full pool (2 swimmers per team per event) and it feels more like a “big” meet without being crazy crowded like it usually is. With the 2-team approach it will be smaller than a normal dual meet.

Kids under 12 cannot be vaccinated. It makes zero sense to risk kids health so you can have you so called normal.

What a novel take that you haven’t expressed a million times already in various DCUM threads

Its pretty sad that the competitive swim parents who need their kids to win for their bragging rights don't care about the rest of our swim kids.

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Huh? The whole reason I want a summer season for my kids is they aren’t on a competitive team. This is there only chance to learn stroke swimming unless I am able to enroll them in expensive lessons. Please don’t pretend to know everyone’s thinking on this.

County has cheap lessons and you don’t learn much on summer swim team. Or, that is our experience. Your kids don’t get to the a meets as they are dominated by the year round kids who only show up to win. It’s a world you don’t see yet. Your kids should be getting those meet opportunities since they go to practices.

Disagree with this, in our experience kids learn a lot from swimming most days. But I suppose it depends on the quality of coaching.

Good for your kids. We haven't had that experience and always paid for private lessons up till COVID hit.

Are you just miserable in general? There are probably ways you can deal with that don’t involve obsessively posting on DCUM about how everyone is selfish, your kids aren’t safe, and we should all be in strict lockdown.

Far from miserable and I care about my kids health and others. You should try it.

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a post on IG from a coach that all restrictions are now dropped. Back to regular meets, practices, etc. unless the particular pool decides otherwise due to their own capacity limits, rules, etc.

Me too! I am sure rules will exist at the pool level but bravo to MCSL for reconsidering given the CDC, state and county guidance.

The CDC guidance is separate for kids under 12, which is the bulk of many teams.

Our pool just announced basically everything back to pre-covid: no masks outside for anyone.

The reps are voting on a rule that would require masks I’m crowded areas at A meets. MCSL appears to be deferring to pools re B meet protocols.

It was announced tonight by MCSL that the vote was that there will be no mask mandates at any A meets. Thank Goodness! I was not looking forward to that hot mask in the 90 degree hot sun while timing.

That’s too bad that it’s unsafe for our 12 and under but great as long as your needs are met who cares about our kids and others.

You have two options.

1) Put masks on your kids (masks are very effective at protecting the wearer and especially outside).
2) Sit out the season.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an NP.

To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

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To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

Maybe the depression is more and COVID is just and excuse by parents. The kids I know who are depressed are for a reason - either mental health issues that run in the family or family issues that aren't talked about/homelife.

Mine will not be doing meets because of folks on here except if our pool does it safely, which I'm not counting on. It may be worth the risk to you, but its not to us. But, no one seems to care about kids who aren't able to participate, just made up depression and other things so the parents can justify their choices and behavior. Its not just about being severely ill. We simply don't know and many report long term health issues, which are more concerning to me. Why would you deliberately place your child in a situation that puts them at risk for a serious illness? I don't get parents like you and it punishes kids like mine as we cannot relax because of the choices and attitudes like yours. If the ref's are not masked and waiting right at the end of the pool where the kids pass to get out, that is hardly safe if they don't move out of the way. When kids are waiting for their turn they are generally placed very close together to keep track of them. It helps being outdoors but there is still a risk.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an NP.

To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

Maybe the depression is more and COVID is just and excuse by parents. The kids I know who are depressed are for a reason - either mental health issues that run in the family or family issues that aren't talked about/homelife.

Mine will not be doing meets because of folks on here except if our pool does it safely, which I'm not counting on. It may be worth the risk to you, but its not to us. But, no one seems to care about kids who aren't able to participate, just made up depression and other things so the parents can justify their choices and behavior. Its not just about being severely ill. We simply don't know and many report long term health issues, which are more concerning to me. Why would you deliberately place your child in a situation that puts them at risk for a serious illness? I don't get parents like you and it punishes kids like mine as we cannot relax because of the choices and attitudes like yours. If the ref's are not masked and waiting right at the end of the pool where the kids pass to get out, that is hardly safe if they don't move out of the way. When kids are waiting for their turn they are generally placed very close together to keep track of them. It helps being outdoors but there is still a risk.

I don’t think we will ever be on the same side of this issue. I do not doubt your intentions but you have to believe that everyone is doing their best to make informed decisions. I am following Dr. Fauci. I will break no rules. I will mask my unvaccinated child and allow my vaccinated children to remain unmasked. We don’t “simply know” a lot of things and I am sorry you “can’t relax,” but I am sticking with the CDC guidance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an NP.

To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

Maybe the depression is more and COVID is just and excuse by parents. The kids I know who are depressed are for a reason - either mental health issues that run in the family or family issues that aren't talked about/homelife.

Mine will not be doing meets because of folks on here except if our pool does it safely, which I'm not counting on. It may be worth the risk to you, but its not to us. But, no one seems to care about kids who aren't able to participate, just made up depression and other things so the parents can justify their choices and behavior. Its not just about being severely ill. We simply don't know and many report long term health issues, which are more concerning to me. Why would you deliberately place your child in a situation that puts them at risk for a serious illness? I don't get parents like you and it punishes kids like mine as we cannot relax because of the choices and attitudes like yours. If the ref's are not masked and waiting right at the end of the pool where the kids pass to get out, that is hardly safe if they don't move out of the way. When kids are waiting for their turn they are generally placed very close together to keep track of them. It helps being outdoors but there is still a risk.

If you can't just shut up and mask up yourself and your kid to protect yourselves, just sit out. It is not our fault you are so paranoid and can't take minute risk of having your kid have a normal summer. There is no more covid in the community...you realize that, don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an NP.

To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

Maybe the depression is more and COVID is just and excuse by parents. The kids I know who are depressed are for a reason - either mental health issues that run in the family or family issues that aren't talked about/homelife.

Mine will not be doing meets because of folks on here except if our pool does it safely, which I'm not counting on. It may be worth the risk to you, but its not to us. But, no one seems to care about kids who aren't able to participate, just made up depression and other things so the parents can justify their choices and behavior. Its not just about being severely ill. We simply don't know and many report long term health issues, which are more concerning to me. Why would you deliberately place your child in a situation that puts them at risk for a serious illness? I don't get parents like you and it punishes kids like mine as we cannot relax because of the choices and attitudes like yours. If the ref's are not masked and waiting right at the end of the pool where the kids pass to get out, that is hardly safe if they don't move out of the way. When kids are waiting for their turn they are generally placed very close together to keep track of them. It helps being outdoors but there is still a risk.

If you can't just shut up and mask up yourself and your kid to protect yourselves, just sit out. It is not our fault you are so paranoid and can't take minute risk of having your kid have a normal summer. There is no more covid in the community...you realize that, don't you?

I don’t understand why this person keeps posting here. They aren’t changing anyone else’s mind about their risk assessments for their families, and no one here is changing the poster’s risk assessment for their family. Just let it go. You don’t want your kids participating in meets, ok so don’t. You don’t get parents like us, and we don’t get parents like you. We could argue til the cows come home about risk assessments, variants, the extremely low rate of spread in MoCo, but it’s just a waste of time. MCSL has decided it’s rules for the season, it’s in alignment with the CDC, so take it or leave it.

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What A meets are 90 degrees? Those things start and end early. It’s the B meets that are hot.

I also will mask and/or distance and ask my kids to do the same because of one high risk child under 12. We have desperately been waiting for summer swimming after a successful spring session with FINS with masks, distancing, and crowd control. I’m sad it won’t be the same for the summer and will opt my kids out as needed depending on how safe it appears given what others around us are doing. DH said his main concern was during meets when kids get called to clerk of course. There are generally big huddles of kids. Different protocols for the under 12’s would be appreciated!

For the people saying that a mask protects the person wearing it, please cite your data. Even the CDC states that it “may” protect the person wearing the mask. That’s been my main complaint with all of these mask mandates changing. The science seems to change when it’s economically convenient or when gov’t thinks it can reduce vax hesitation.

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Anonymous wrote:What A meets are 90 degrees? Those things start and end early. It’s the B meets that are hot.

I also will mask and/or distance and ask my kids to do the same because of one high risk child under 12. We have desperately been waiting for summer swimming after a successful spring session with FINS with masks, distancing, and crowd control. I’m sad it won’t be the same for the summer and will opt my kids out as needed depending on how safe it appears given what others around us are doing. DH said his main concern was during meets when kids get called to clerk of course. There are generally big huddles of kids. Different protocols for the under 12’s would be appreciated!

For the people saying that a mask protects the person wearing it, please cite your data. Even the CDC states that it “may” protect the person wearing the mask. That’s been my main complaint with all of these mask mandates changing. The science seems to change when it’s economically convenient or when gov’t thinks it can reduce vax hesitation.

This is not about vax hesitation it’s about community spread. The seven day average for cases in MoCo is 2.1/100,000 people. If you say 100,000 people the chance any individual has COVID is 0.002 percent Then if you are unlucky enough to be exposed to one of these ppl at your pool (which is highly unlikely) you’d have have COVID 19 transmitted outside, which itself almost impossible. By comparison, the chance that a vasectomy fails is 0.15 percent. That is why there is no mask requirement.

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Anonymous wrote:What A meets are 90 degrees? Those things start and end early. It’s the B meets that are hot.

I also will mask and/or distance and ask my kids to do the same because of one high risk child under 12. We have desperately been waiting for summer swimming after a successful spring session with FINS with masks, distancing, and crowd control. I’m sad it won’t be the same for the summer and will opt my kids out as needed depending on how safe it appears given what others around us are doing. DH said his main concern was during meets when kids get called to clerk of course. There are generally big huddles of kids. Different protocols for the under 12’s would be appreciated!

For the people saying that a mask protects the person wearing it, please cite your data. Even the CDC states that it “may” protect the person wearing the mask. That’s been my main complaint with all of these mask mandates changing. The science seems to change when it’s economically convenient or when gov’t thinks it can reduce vax hesitation.

A meets start at 9AM and run until about 11:30 AM. I’m sure if you have lived here before you understand that having temps at 90 or more by 11 is not out of the norm.

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Yeah I’ve been at plenty of A meets where it’s sweltering hot. Not sure where PP has been living.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I’ve been at plenty of A meets where it’s sweltering hot. Not sure where PP has been living.

Amen! A few July meets are always hot as he77.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an NP.

To PP who keeps posting about others not caring about her child: I don't really understand what you want. Are you asking for MCSL not to have a season? For masks to be mandatory?

I would personally be fine with having my kids wear masks out of the water at the pool for practices, meets and just in general. It doesn't really harm them and it would make some people feel safer.

There's a lot of anxiety about opening up and I know it's happening really quickly so I have a lot of empathy for you but I don't think it's really based on science.

Science is saying masks help and small groups and distancing. Having 50-100 kids per practice and several hundred or more at meets is not safe. So, those who don’t care about safety get their kids to swim while ours suffer and miss out as they don’t care. Those rating about their kids suffering are fake as they are the ones who have carried on with life with swim meets, travel, eating out, and socializing which puts the swim kids at risk who are only swimming. But, hey, it’s all about the win as these are not kids who practice with their summer teams and they just show up for meets and that’s it. Mcsl should require these kids to attend practices and be apart of the team.

Science says outdoor transmission basically does not happen. There have been studies that rounded up studies that showed that there is very little risk of outdoor transmission.

Since you are still worried there are a lot of things you can do to minimize her risk. You can have our child participate but have them social distance and then pull your child out as soon as her event are finished. Make sure she masks herself.

All my kids are under 12, and I'm happy they are having a season. I would happily accommodate people like you by masking myself and having my kids mask but I think a great deal of harm would have come from having no season. There are a lot of kids in mental distress right now and that is really real versus the theoretical risk of a child getting sick from covid. At any given pool you and I both know there are very depressed children right now. At any given pool the risk of any one child getting severely ill is close to zero even if every child got infected.

Maybe the depression is more and COVID is just and excuse by parents. The kids I know who are depressed are for a reason - either mental health issues that run in the family or family issues that aren't talked about/homelife.

Mine will not be doing meets because of folks on here except if our pool does it safely, which I'm not counting on. It may be worth the risk to you, but its not to us. But, no one seems to care about kids who aren't able to participate, just made up depression and other things so the parents can justify their choices and behavior. Its not just about being severely ill. We simply don't know and many report long term health issues, which are more concerning to me. Why would you deliberately place your child in a situation that puts them at risk for a serious illness? I don't get parents like you and it punishes kids like mine as we cannot relax because of the choices and attitudes like yours. If the ref's are not masked and waiting right at the end of the pool where the kids pass to get out, that is hardly safe if they don't move out of the way. When kids are waiting for their turn they are generally placed very close together to keep track of them. It helps being outdoors but there is still a risk.

Outdoor sports have been played without masks for an entire year in circumstances far more iffy (pre-vaccine with bodies banging around) than swimming. Hopefully for your kid, you get out of their way and let them back into the world.