NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

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Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

Good news! They're not!

I agree that by only looking at deaths, we underestimate the dangers of cars. Serious injuries, "minor injuries," and near misses matter too.

Almost none of which happens between cars and pedestrians downtown. But they do happen regularly between cyclists and pedestrians.

Stop, please. You're spitting on people's graves with your lies.

You're right. It's inappropriate timing and I apologize. I was just trying yo point out thay cyclists are not allies of pedestrians and addressing that is part of the sokution.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidewalks. People belong on sidewalks. Cars belong in the road.

Roads. Roads belong between cities, not in them.

^^^This is one of the Top 5 stupidest things I’ve ever read on DCUM. ^^^


And considering this place, that’s really saying something.

LOL. I imagine these people were complaining about horse drawn carts and buggies 100 years ago.

No a hundred years ago they were complaining about cars that were pushing people (and horses probably) off of roads.

Considering that they don’t believe that roads should be in cities, I doubt that.

I guess their vision of a city is everyone living in one giant skyscraper. All pedestrian corridors, no roads.

Cities have streets.

Thank you! Yes, cities have streets. Wow, I'm also flattered to get a bolded "dumbest post" award for writing something... that would be considered so true as to be a platitude in most circles.

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Silly question. Why aren't you asking whether pedestrians are required to stop at stop signs? Different transportation modes have different laws. For example, drivers are not allowed to drive on the sidewalk, but pedestrians are required to walk on the sidewalk if there is one, but bicyclists are allowed to ride on the sidewalk in some parts of DC. Also, bus lanes. You're only allowed to drive in a bus lane if you're driving a bus.

Pedestrians are required to stop. You're really not thinking these comments through.

Pedestrians are not required to stop at stop signs.

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Silly question. Why aren't you asking whether pedestrians are required to stop at stop signs? Different transportation modes have different laws. For example, drivers are not allowed to drive on the sidewalk, but pedestrians are required to walk on the sidewalk if there is one, but bicyclists are allowed to ride on the sidewalk in some parts of DC. Also, bus lanes. You're only allowed to drive in a bus lane if you're driving a bus.

Pedestrians are required to stop. You're really not thinking these comments through.

Pedestrians are not required to stop at stop signs.

You want to be right or dead?

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Silly question. Why aren't you asking whether pedestrians are required to stop at stop signs? Different transportation modes have different laws. For example, drivers are not allowed to drive on the sidewalk, but pedestrians are required to walk on the sidewalk if there is one, but bicyclists are allowed to ride on the sidewalk in some parts of DC. Also, bus lanes. You're only allowed to drive in a bus lane if you're driving a bus.

Pedestrians are required to stop. You're really not thinking these comments through.

Pedestrians are not required to stop at stop signs.

You want to be right or dead?

Yeah, somehow that's how the dialogue always seems to go:

-Pedestrians/bicyclists don't follow the law! *provides example of pedestrian/bicyclist behavior that is legal*
-Actually, that is legal.
-You want to be right or dead?

For what it's worth, I've heard bus drivers make very similar comments about drivers. If might makes right, then bus drivers are righter than car drivers. Yet somehow that doesn't stop car drivers from cutting off buses, turning left across buses, etc.

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DC has given an exemption to traffic rules for bicyclists. An exemption they dont get in MD or VA. It may be legal but that doesn't mean it is either right or good policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC has given an exemption to traffic rules for bicyclists. An exemption they dont get in MD or VA. It may be legal but that doesn't mean it is either right or good policy.

What exemption, specifically, are you referring to? Please explain.

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I mean, even bicyclists hate bicyclists. If there's anything we can all agree upon, it's that people on bikes are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, even bicyclists hate bicyclists. If there's anything we can all agree upon, it's that people on bikes are the worst.

Yeah, every day on my way into work I’m super worried about bicyclists killing me and all the gridlock they create blocking roads, intersections, and double parking.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has given an exemption to traffic rules for bicyclists. An exemption they dont get in MD or VA. It may be legal but that doesn't mean it is either right or good policy.

What exemption, specifically, are you referring to? Please explain.

Stopping at red lights and stop signs. As has been stated repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, even bicyclists hate bicyclists. If there's anything we can all agree upon, it's that people on bikes are the worst.

Hi, I'm your neighbor. I walk, I bike, I take the bus, I drive.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has given an exemption to traffic rules for bicyclists. An exemption they dont get in MD or VA. It may be legal but that doesn't mean it is either right or good policy.

What exemption, specifically, are you referring to? Please explain.

Stopping at red lights and stop signs. As has been stated repeatedly.

Haven’t you noticed? DC doesn’t enforce traffic rules for anyone. Bicyclists, pedestrians, drivers, etc. sure, there are a few cameras, but most people just don’t pay the fines or just continue speeding before/after the camera.

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someone resurrected this thread to continue ranting about bikes? how about we actually find out the identity of the driver who killed these people and whether they are being charged?

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Anonymous wrote:DC has given an exemption to traffic rules for bicyclists. An exemption they dont get in MD or VA. It may be legal but that doesn't mean it is either right or good policy.

What exemption, specifically, are you referring to? Please explain.

Stopping at red lights and stop signs. As has been stated repeatedly.

Are you referring to an "Idaho stop" law, where bicyclists may treat stop signs and red lights as yield signs? DC doesn't have that. I wish that DC did, because it makes the roads safer for bicyclists, but DC doesn't.

Also, where different traffic laws apply to bicyclists and motor-vehicle drivers, that's not an "exemption," that's just different traffic laws applying to bicyclists and motor-vehicle drivers.

You wouldn't say that DC has given an exemption to car drivers, by not requiring them to have a CDL, would you?

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Anonymous wrote:someone resurrected this thread to continue ranting about bikes? how about we actually find out the identity of the driver who killed these people and whether they are being charged?

Nope. A bicyclist resurrected this thread to claim that pedestrians dont have to stop and look both ways before crossing a street.