NPS: Ban Cars Now in DC Urban Parks

[Anonymous]

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The most common incidents of cyclists striking pedestrians is in multi-use trails like the CCT. However, they also do strike and kill pedestrians on the streets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/woman-65-dies-after-being-hit-by-bicycle-in-downtown-dc/2017/03/10/326d83b2-05ff-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.53ef9274973f

Yeah, it doesn't NEVER happen, but it's very rare.

Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.

this is a post about pedestrians being killed by cars. Cars kill infinitely more pedestrians than bikes.

[Anonymous]

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Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.

No, it's not a rare event for a driver to kill a person on a bicycle. Montgomery County averages about 2-3 per year. Across the county, it's about 900 people per year who were riding a bicycle when a driver killed them.

In contrast, the case you allude to, of a person who was walking when a bicyclist killed them, happened in 2012.

I'm sorry that you have this obsessive hatred of people riding bicycles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.

No, it's not a rare event for a driver to kill a person on a bicycle. Montgomery County averages about 2-3 per year. Across the county, it's about 900 people per year who were riding a bicycle when a driver killed them.

In contrast, the case you allude to, of a person who was walking when a bicyclist killed them, happened in 2012.

I'm sorry that you have this obsessive hatred of people riding bicycles.

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.

No, it's not a rare event for a driver to kill a person on a bicycle. Montgomery County averages about 2-3 per year. Across the county, it's about 900 people per year who were riding a bicycle when a driver killed them.

In contrast, the case you allude to, of a person who was walking when a bicyclist killed them, happened in 2012.

I'm sorry that you have this obsessive hatred of people riding bicycles.

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

DP: I agree that bicyclists should follow the law, especially things that are designed to protect pedestrians and other bicyclists.

When you say "by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger" - do you realize that the non-fatal carnage and destruction from driving cars is soon much more than that caused by riding bikes?

Direct impact, environmental impact, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Cyclists being killed by cars is also a rare event and yet cyclists are very aggressive about highlighting every one. It is telling that they also downplay their role in pedestrian deaths. Like for example, when a cyclist killed a woman on four mile run cyclists thought an important detail was what type of bike they were riding.
https://www.arlnow.com/2012/06/11/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-cyclist/

It’s also almost 100% that when cyclists hit pedestrians they claim it’s the pedestrian’s fault. But when cars hit cyclists, it’s never the cyclists fault even if the same reasoning holds. Eg cyclists hate car horns but think it’s cool and appropriate to yell at, honk horns or ring bells at pedestrians which startles them. If they then hit the pedestrian it’s the pedestrians fault. But if a car horn startles a cyclists, well... cyclists have lobbied to make this illegal in many jurisdictions.

Cyclists expect everyone to kowtow to them and never take responsibility.

No, it's not a rare event for a driver to kill a person on a bicycle. Montgomery County averages about 2-3 per year. Across the county, it's about 900 people per year who were riding a bicycle when a driver killed them.

In contrast, the case you allude to, of a person who was walking when a bicyclist killed them, happened in 2012.

I'm sorry that you have this obsessive hatred of people riding bicycles.

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

DP: I agree that bicyclists should follow the law, especially things that are designed to protect pedestrians and other bicyclists.

When you say "by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger" - do you realize that the non-fatal carnage and destruction from driving cars is soon much more than that caused by riding bikes?

Direct impact, environmental impact, etc.

IIRC there are no traffic laws for bicyclists. In VA and MD though, if memory serves, they have to follow the same rules of the road as everyone else.

I don't deny that cars can cause more damage. It's just a quirk of congestion that bicyclists (that dont follow traffic rules) are more damgerous to pedestrians

[Anonymous]

Also, if we're talking environmental and social impact. Then let's be clear, walking is more virtuous.

[Anonymous]

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IIRC there are no traffic laws for bicyclists. In VA and MD though, if memory serves, they have to follow the same rules of the road as everyone else.

I don't deny that cars can cause more damage. It's just a quirk of congestion that bicyclists (that dont follow traffic rules) are more damgerous to pedestrians

You recall incorrectly. In DC, Maryland, and Virginia, bicyclists have to follow the traffic laws that apply to bicyclists. Just like pedestrians have to follow the traffic laws that apply to pedestrians, and drivers have to follow the traffic laws that apply to drivers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

Good news! They're not!

I agree that by only looking at deaths, we underestimate the dangers of cars. Serious injuries, "minor injuries," and near misses matter too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IIRC there are no traffic laws for bicyclists. In VA and MD though, if memory serves, they have to follow the same rules of the road as everyone else.

I don't deny that cars can cause more damage. It's just a quirk of congestion that bicyclists (that dont follow traffic rules) are more damgerous to pedestrians

You recall incorrectly. In DC, Maryland, and Virginia, bicyclists have to follow the traffic laws that apply to bicyclists. Just like pedestrians have to follow the traffic laws that apply to pedestrians, and drivers have to follow the traffic laws that apply to drivers.

Well aren't you cute.

Are bicyclists required to stop at red lights and stop signs in DC? Yes or no. Are they required to do so in MD and VA? Yes or no.

[Anonymous]

Red lights yes. Hasn't DC adopted the "Idaho Stop?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Red lights yes. Hasn't DC adopted the "Idaho Stop?"

That is not true. Bicyclists in DC are allowed to run red lights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

Good news! They're not!

I agree that by only looking at deaths, we underestimate the dangers of cars. Serious injuries, "minor injuries," and near misses matter too.

Almost none of which happens between cars and pedestrians downtown. But they do happen regularly between cyclists and pedestrians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, cars are more fatal than bicycles. They weigh more. Based on the data it's 5-10 times more fatal. However, that only refers to fatalities and by only looking at fatalities we underestimate the danger. There is a subset of bicyclists that refuse to follow traffic rules. That refuse to stop at stop signs or red lights. That refuse to yield the right of way to pedestrians, especially at crosswalks. As bike use has increased this has become more of a problem. Bicyclists in DC should not be exempted from traffic rules. It's as simple as that.

Good news! They're not!

I agree that by only looking at deaths, we underestimate the dangers of cars. Serious injuries, "minor injuries," and near misses matter too.

Almost none of which happens between cars and pedestrians downtown. But they do happen regularly between cyclists and pedestrians.

Stop, please. You're spitting on people's graves with your lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IIRC there are no traffic laws for bicyclists. In VA and MD though, if memory serves, they have to follow the same rules of the road as everyone else.

I don't deny that cars can cause more damage. It's just a quirk of congestion that bicyclists (that dont follow traffic rules) are more damgerous to pedestrians

You recall incorrectly. In DC, Maryland, and Virginia, bicyclists have to follow the traffic laws that apply to bicyclists. Just like pedestrians have to follow the traffic laws that apply to pedestrians, and drivers have to follow the traffic laws that apply to drivers.

Well aren't you cute.

Are bicyclists required to stop at red lights and stop signs in DC? Yes or no. Are they required to do so in MD and VA? Yes or no.

Silly question. Why aren't you asking whether pedestrians are required to stop at stop signs? Different transportation modes have different laws. For example, drivers are not allowed to drive on the sidewalk, but pedestrians are required to walk on the sidewalk if there is one, but bicyclists are allowed to ride on the sidewalk in some parts of DC. Also, bus lanes. You're only allowed to drive in a bus lane if you're driving a bus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

IIRC there are no traffic laws for bicyclists. In VA and MD though, if memory serves, they have to follow the same rules of the road as everyone else.

I don't deny that cars can cause more damage. It's just a quirk of congestion that bicyclists (that dont follow traffic rules) are more damgerous to pedestrians

You recall incorrectly. In DC, Maryland, and Virginia, bicyclists have to follow the traffic laws that apply to bicyclists. Just like pedestrians have to follow the traffic laws that apply to pedestrians, and drivers have to follow the traffic laws that apply to drivers.

Well aren't you cute.

Are bicyclists required to stop at red lights and stop signs in DC? Yes or no. Are they required to do so in MD and VA? Yes or no.

Silly question. Why aren't you asking whether pedestrians are required to stop at stop signs? Different transportation modes have different laws. For example, drivers are not allowed to drive on the sidewalk, but pedestrians are required to walk on the sidewalk if there is one, but bicyclists are allowed to ride on the sidewalk in some parts of DC. Also, bus lanes. You're only allowed to drive in a bus lane if you're driving a bus.

Pedestrians are required to stoo. You're really not thinking these comments through.