school reopening survey asking about anti-bias/anti-racist programming

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!




Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.


My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.


If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).


Seriously tell me how the use of “oversee” when used to mean supervise and not in a context about race is racist.


For the sake of argument. In this contexr "oversee" could be inplied to mean overseeing the teacher instead of the child. If that is true then there is an underlying power dynamic and relative value judgment being expressed. Since the majority of DC teachers are black there is an inherent racial component to the phrase. This is further exacerbated if an assumption is made that the poster is a Ward 3 parent.

While I think this is a stretch and relies on a series of assumptions it is an argument. If one unpacks oversee then one can see the overlaid slavery metaphor. But even in this convoluted reading it mostly represents a power dynamic and not necessarily anything racial.


Thanks for actually making that argument. It is indeed convoluted, but I appreciate the time spent to explain. I read the quote as the parent overseeing their young children (perhaps because I am supervising — overseeing — my young kids’ DL) which would not have the same overtones, hence my confusion.

I do think there’s a whole lotta racist ideas expressed on DCUM, and I’m often surprised by people’s willingness to express these ideas plainly. I do also think there are people here interested in just hurting others, and one way they do that is accuse them of any number of things (being bad parents, being mentally ill, not having good spouses, and being racist). Certainly sometimes the racism accusation is warranted, but other times it seems employed unreasonably.


The issue heee is that even if the OP was referring to overseeing the teacher instead of their kids that doesn't mean that they necessarily were conscious of the subtle power dynamic implied by that word choice. It's easier to see in metaphors involving plantations and reservations but our language is chock full of phrases with a sketchy denotation. For instance, "other" actually means second while "beyond the pale" has something to do with Irish people. Bad karma is also regularly used wrongly and can be done in a way that is truly offensive if done wrong. Etymology is fascinating. However there's a fine line between pointing out the underlying inadvertant meaning and imputing intent.
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The poster was talking about overseeing her kids! Can we move on?
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Anonymous wrote:The poster was talking about overseeing her kids! Can we move on?


Why? She's been defended and the error pointed out. We harm nobody and we distract from nothing important by trying to understand why someone wrote the response that they did.
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Anonymous wrote:The poster was talking about overseeing her kids! Can we move on?


Why? She's been defended and the error pointed out. We harm nobody and we distract from nothing important by trying to understand why someone wrote the response that they did.


I think at this stage the original point of the post -- that the accusation of racism gets used when there is no racism -- is lost. I think that that happens here on DCUM with some regularity, and I also think its just one or two people who do it in bad faith.
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Anonymous wrote:seriously who is going to say ON A NON-ANONYMOUS SURVEY "meh I don't want my kids to have anti-racist education."



Clearly there are some...


I chose not interested.


I mean, if you know your kids don't need it, why actively vote for it if what your kid really needs is more math, better advanced literature, more history, more science lab time, improved languages, and would it kill them to give us computer science education like the rest of the middle schools in the modern world, etc.?
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Anonymous wrote:Step 1: frame any issue (school closure) in terms of social justice and equity.
Step 2: throw around knee jerk jabs of racism at any criticism of step 1.
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Step 3: Recreate fantasy of steps 1 and 2 happening over and over until it’s featured on Tucker Carlson.


I’m not against it. For example, in order to get legislation passed, it’s been a good, prudent and pretty recent tactic framing climate change or marijuana policy based on the impact on racial justice. It’s a can’t lose method of putting forth a policy and having it taken seriously. When you frame in person learning in that context, it’s very hard to counter the narrative or risk being seen as racist.


Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!



Go back to prepping for your show, Tucker. This is absurd.



Oversee DL. Maybe you pick a better word than oversee.

And why are you overseeing DL. If they are too young to sit still so be it. If they are old enough to sit still then you should remind them they have to or ......
It's here on DCUM all. of. the. time. I was convinced it was a MAGA troll, but it seems to be someone who truly believes it.


Wait wait was the “oversee” comment deleted? Was the “oversee” comment made at all, in seriousness? In relation to someone saying that anything can be called racist as a tactic to silence others? Priceless.


NP (and not American). What’s wrong with the word to oversee?


https://www.ncpedia.org/overseers


Bru, what are you talking about? Are you ascribing racism when no one was using the word “oversee” with any racial overtones? This is the kind of devolution that many people are concerned about. Maybe the loony tunes trump supporters are right and seeing racism in any and all things is counterproductive.


Words matter. And I made the original post. A few people commented too.

If you keep thinking people are being too sensitive its because after generations of walking on eggshells around you we are done and we are going to tell you when you overstepped. Its been happening to us for centuries. You don't like it imagine how we feel.


Your link is to a noun with a very negative connotation. PP used a verb in a very different way. The two are not the same. At all.
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Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist.

Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because supervising your kids' DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse.

Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!



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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist.

Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because supervising your kids' DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse.

Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!






Who has to supervise MS kids? That’s your first problem.


Weird deflection, as the poster didn't say anything about MS kids. Probably mentioning "childcare" means the kids are ES.
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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist.

Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because supervising your kids' DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse.

Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!






Who has to supervise MS kids? That’s your first problem.


So you leave your eleven yr old on their own from 9 to 3?
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Good questions, perhaps wrong survey. Move on.
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I like how the troll is automatically making this about whether or not the parent is good at DL or not. The actual point is lost, per usual.
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TLDR; Sounds like the survey could have just said -- Now that we asked you about IPL we have some other questions that relate to your upcoming school experience. One sentence added can make a difference.

Maybe even a couple of other questions that the school could ask for parent options because let's face it, this survey is getting responses.
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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist.

Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because supervising your kids' DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse.

Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!






Who has to supervise MS kids? That’s your first problem.



So you leave your eleven yr old on their own from 9 to 3?


Yes, she is 12 now but completely capable. She has straight As. Also when I was her age I babysat after school! An 11 year old can be pretty independent. I have a job. My job as a parent is to raise responsible, independent, and kind kids.
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Anonymous wrote:I like how the troll is automatically making this about whether or not the parent is good at DL or not. The actual point is lost, per usual.


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OMG, I skipped a bunch of pages but want to point out the survey isn't anonymous. You have to put your kid's name, grade, team then your email address.

FTR, I responded no to IPL because this is quite possibly the dumbest approach to getting kids back in school I have ever seen and ZERO interest in their anti-racist programming since my kid is receiving almost zero actual math. Focus on the basics first then you can add in your social issues.
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