school reopening survey asking about anti-bias/anti-racist programming

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Anonymous wrote:Step 1: frame any issue (school closure) in terms of social justice and equity.
Step 2: throw around knee jerk jabs of racism at any criticism of step 1.
Step 3: ?

Step 3: Recreate fantasy of steps 1 and 2 happening over and over until it’s featured on Tucker Carlson.

I’m not against it. For example, in order to get legislation passed, it’s been a good, prudent and pretty recent tactic framing climate change or marijuana policy based on the impact on racial justice. It’s a can’t lose method of putting forth a policy and having it taken seriously. When you frame in person learning in that context, it’s very hard to counter the narrative or risk being seen as racist.

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Go back to prepping for your show, Tucker. This is absurd.

Oversee DL. Maybe you pick a better word than oversee.

And why are you overseeing DL. If they are too young to sit still so be it. If they are old enough to sit still then you should remind them they have to or ......
It's here on DCUM all. of. the. time. I was convinced it was a MAGA troll, but it seems to be someone who truly believes it.

Wait wait was the “oversee” comment deleted? Was the “oversee” comment made at all, in seriousness? In relation to someone saying that anything can be called racist as a tactic to silence others? Priceless.

NP (and not American). What’s wrong with the word to oversee?

https://www.ncpedia.org/overseers

Bru, what are you talking about? Are you ascribing racism when no one was using the word “oversee” with any racial overtones? This is the kind of devolution that many people are concerned about. Maybe the loony tunes trump supporters are right and seeing racism in any and all things is counterproductive.

Words matter. And I made the original post. A few people commented too.

If you keep thinking people are being too sensitive its because after generations of walking on eggshells around you we are done and we are going to tell you when you overstepped. Its been happening to us for centuries. You don't like it imagine how we feel.

This is top shelf, upper echelon trolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Step 1: frame any issue (school closure) in terms of social justice and equity.
Step 2: throw around knee jerk jabs of racism at any criticism of step 1.
Step 3: ?

Step 3: Recreate fantasy of steps 1 and 2 happening over and over until it’s featured on Tucker Carlson.

I’m not against it. For example, in order to get legislation passed, it’s been a good, prudent and pretty recent tactic framing climate change or marijuana policy based on the impact on racial justice. It’s a can’t lose method of putting forth a policy and having it taken seriously. When you frame in person learning in that context, it’s very hard to counter the narrative or risk being seen as racist.

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Go back to prepping for your show, Tucker. This is absurd.

Oversee DL. Maybe you pick a better word than oversee.

And why are you overseeing DL. If they are too young to sit still so be it. If they are old enough to sit still then you should remind them they have to or ......
It's here on DCUM all. of. the. time. I was convinced it was a MAGA troll, but it seems to be someone who truly believes it.

Wait wait was the “oversee” comment deleted? Was the “oversee” comment made at all, in seriousness? In relation to someone saying that anything can be called racist as a tactic to silence others? Priceless.

NP (and not American). What’s wrong with the word to oversee?

https://www.ncpedia.org/overseers

Bru, what are you talking about? Are you ascribing racism when no one was using the word “oversee” with any racial overtones? This is the kind of devolution that many people are concerned about. Maybe the loony tunes trump supporters are right and seeing racism in any and all things is counterproductive.

Words matter. And I made the original post. A few people commented too.

If you keep thinking people are being too sensitive its because after generations of walking on eggshells around you we are done and we are going to tell you when you overstepped. Its been happening to us for centuries. You don't like it imagine how we feel.

This is top shelf, upper echelon trolling.

What about if it isn’t? What if someone actually felt that way?

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Anonymous wrote:Step 1: frame any issue (school closure) in terms of social justice and equity.
Step 2: throw around knee jerk jabs of racism at any criticism of step 1.
Step 3: ?

Step 3: Recreate fantasy of steps 1 and 2 happening over and over until it’s featured on Tucker Carlson.

I’m not against it. For example, in order to get legislation passed, it’s been a good, prudent and pretty recent tactic framing climate change or marijuana policy based on the impact on racial justice. It’s a can’t lose method of putting forth a policy and having it taken seriously. When you frame in person learning in that context, it’s very hard to counter the narrative or risk being seen as racist.

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Go back to prepping for your show, Tucker. This is absurd.

Oversee DL. Maybe you pick a better word than oversee.

And why are you overseeing DL. If they are too young to sit still so be it. If they are old enough to sit still then you should remind them they have to or ......
It's here on DCUM all. of. the. time. I was convinced it was a MAGA troll, but it seems to be someone who truly believes it.

Wait wait was the “oversee” comment deleted? Was the “oversee” comment made at all, in seriousness? In relation to someone saying that anything can be called racist as a tactic to silence others? Priceless.

NP (and not American). What’s wrong with the word to oversee?

https://www.ncpedia.org/overseers

Bru, what are you talking about? Are you ascribing racism when no one was using the word “oversee” with any racial overtones? This is the kind of devolution that many people are concerned about. Maybe the loony tunes trump supporters are right and seeing racism in any and all things is counterproductive.

Words matter. And I made the original post. A few people commented too.

If you keep thinking people are being too sensitive its because after generations of walking on eggshells around you we are done and we are going to tell you when you overstepped. Its been happening to us for centuries. You don't like it imagine how we feel.

This is top shelf, upper echelon trolling.

What about if it isn’t? What if someone actually felt that way?

Can someone please post the original post? I may have been wrong and want to see how the word “oversee” was used and in what context.

[Anonymous]

Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

What view? That the word “oversee” is somehow inherently poisonous?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

Seriously tell me how the use of “oversee” when used to mean supervise and not in a context about race is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

This response is just “but critical race theory exists.” This seems a straw man for this situation.

[Anonymous]

Maybe if people read more diverse authors and had a more diverse friend group they wouldn’t be so testy to being called Karen or make comments that got them called Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if people read more diverse authors and had a more diverse friend group they wouldn’t be so testy to being called Karen or make comments that got them called Karen.

Or maybe they wouldn’t call people stereotyping, non-substantive names....

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

Seriously tell me how the use of “oversee” when used to mean supervise and not in a context about race is racist.

For the sake of argument. In this contexr "oversee" could be inplied to mean overseeing the teacher instead of the child. If that is true then there is an underlying power dynamic and relative value judgment being expressed. Since the majority of DC teachers are black there is an inherent racial component to the phrase. This is further exacerbated if an assumption is made that the poster is a Ward 3 parent.

While I think this is a stretch and relies on a series of assumptions it is an argument. If one unpacks oversee then one can see the overlaid slavery metaphor. But even in this convoluted reading it mostly represents a power dynamic and not necessarily anything racial.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

Seriously tell me how the use of “oversee” when used to mean supervise and not in a context about race is racist.

For the sake of argument. In this contexr "oversee" could be inplied to mean overseeing the teacher instead of the child. If that is true then there is an underlying power dynamic and relative value judgment being expressed. Since the majority of DC teachers are black there is an inherent racial component to the phrase. This is further exacerbated if an assumption is made that the poster is a Ward 3 parent.

While I think this is a stretch and relies on a series of assumptions it is an argument. If one unpacks oversee then one can see the overlaid slavery metaphor. But even in this convoluted reading it mostly represents a power dynamic and not necessarily anything racial.

Thanks for actually making that argument. It is indeed convoluted, but I appreciate the time spent to explain. I read the quote as the parent overseeing their young children (perhaps because I am supervising — overseeing — my young kids’ DL) which would not have the same overtones, hence my confusion.

I do think there’s a whole lotta racist ideas expressed on DCUM, and I’m often surprised by people’s willingness to express these ideas plainly. I do also think there are people here interested in just hurting others, and one way they do that is accuse them of any number of things (being bad parents, being mentally ill, not having good spouses, and being racist). Certainly sometimes the racism accusation is warranted, but other times it seems employed unreasonably.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is where she said oversee:

Yeah, and you see this on DCUM a lot. Any point someone wants to make, if someone doesn't agree with you, call them racist. Don't have funds to hire childcare for DL and are at risk of losing your job because overseeing DL? Obviously you're racist because Black people have had worse. Perfection! No one will get annoyed with this tactic! No one will start to question every single social justice policy!

Yeah, “overseeing” distance learning? How is that racist? Seems like an alarmist response to an innocuous post.

My favorite is that the post is about seeing racism when there isn’t any. So a person saw racism (the use of the word oversee when referring to DL) when there wasn’t any.

Like I couldn’t tell if it was a joke. But apparently not.

If you think this is a joke, you fail to realize how serious the problem of critical race theory is in this country. This person is expressing a view held by most critical race theorists. Quillette.com has published some thoughtful articles by academics and others on this topic. There are also some thoughtful podcasts on youtube.com by John McWhorter (Columbia), Glenn Loury (Brown), Steven Pinker (Harvard) and Heather Heying/Bret Weinstein (Princeton).

This response is just “but critical race theory exists.” This seems a straw man for this situation.

I hear you but there is more to it than you might think. McWhorter has a Ph.D. in linguists from Stanford and is a professor of English. He talks a lot about the use and abuse of language in critical race theory, including the type used by the pp. So do Heying/Weinstein. If you get a chance to watch or read some of their material, I would be interested to hear your thoughts. It does take an investment of some time which is a drag.